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Old 06-13-2018, 08:44 PM
 
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Anyone in the medical/health field, is it 100% job guaranteed? Now I’m thinking about any type of doctor and nurse. Do you know any doctors who have struggled finding a job? Any doctors making less than 6 figure salary (not counting residency)?

 
Old 06-13-2018, 09:51 PM
 
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PCPs don't make a lot of money. And they have 100+ patients. I haven't found a good PCP that wasn't inundated and barely accessible since I was 18. I'm early 30's now. You'll need to get into a specialty or healthcare admin. But the time and cost there is no going back. There's extra residency time for specialties and only certain tier schools have the specialties (i.e. - Orthopedics, Oncology, etc.)

What are your undergrad grades like and do you have a biology or chemistry background?
 
Old 06-13-2018, 10:10 PM
 
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Anyone in the medical/health field, is it 100% job guaranteed? Now I’m thinking about any type of doctor and nurse. Do you know any doctors who have struggled finding a job? Any doctors making less than 6 figure salary (not counting residency)?
Concierge Medicine. Don't waste you time on those who don't have money to pay you or whine and complain all the time about what you charge. Focus on what get you the money you want. The name of the game is your career, not what the masses need. It's noble to want to save people but frankly, if they don't have the money, leave them to the nuns at the clinic! Grab the gold career path now and cater to those who understand and appreciate your education, experience and time. If that means servings the well off through concierge medicine, go for it!. Once you have the money, you can always answer the sad sack phase and give back to the people.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 08:52 AM
 
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No field is guaranteed but in general if you work hard and have decent people skills there’s always a job available in the medical field. It just depends on which route you go as some have more stability than others.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 09:20 AM
 
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Anyone in the medical/health field, is it 100% job guaranteed?
With a few sensible and common sense qualifications... pretty much.

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Do you know any doctors who have struggled finding a job?
Even doctors need to focus their efforts to what they are good at
... and in locations where their skill/interest is actually needed.

However much one might want to be a high profile surgeon...
doesn't mean they can have that or have it in City X where their family is.

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Any doctors making less than 6 figure salary (not counting residency)?
Probably so. eg: Small town GP with a lot of pro bono.
Then there's the question oh hours worked for $X of net income.


Some might prefer to work less -and earn less- in order to do other things.
Believe it or not, but... $100,000 is still a decent income in most places.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 09:26 AM
 
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Let's evaluate Doctor (M.D.)

4 years of pre-med. 4 years of Medical School. Now you're in debt >$200K.
After graduation, you must somehow get a residency - 100 hours a week at around $25K a year for 3 years until you pass your medical boards. Your life is working in the hospital or a short stint sleeping in a close by apartment (that costs an arm and a leg) for 3 years.

Once you pass your medical boards, try to find a job while you continue working 100 hours a week - really difficult to impossible. You're not likely to make a lot straight out of residency.

Want to start your own office? Good luck paying for the malpractice insurance. That's the biggest cost for the office. That's the biggest cause of Medical careers going down hill. Too many lawsuits against you, you become Dr. Nick Riviera of the Simpsons.

If you want to become a surgeon, add about 10 years of surgery experience before your experience starts to impress the hospitals.

Let's evaluate Nurse (RN).

Usually they start out as a Nursing Assistant while studying for the RN. Spend a couple of years doing this or else you're going to get rejected for not having experience as a Nurse later on.

Get a BSN, pass the RN. Reward is 12 hour shifts and tons of overwork. What's a social life? What's life outside of work? Few know. They're worked to death.

Employers whine about the "shortage" but salaries are not going up and the overwork is not going down.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 10:04 AM
 
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Anyone in the medical/health field, is it 100% job guaranteed? Now I’m thinking about any type of doctor and nurse. Do you know any doctors who have struggled finding a job? Any doctors making less than 6 figure salary (not counting residency)?
You shouldn't go into the medical field if you want 'stability' and 'money'.

As a doctor, your assessments will LITERALLY at times decide if people live or die.

Early detection of cancer, etc. Surgery.

As a nurse, your concern for people decides how well patients are treated.

Like the nurse who just signed her name in when my mother was in the hospital for possible tuberculosis, and didn't even ask how she was doing.

Don't be that person. Go into finance. You can make a lot of $ for a lot of people and yourself. There's tons of fields for people who just want $ and stability.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 10:16 AM
 
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Let's evaluate Doctor (M.D.)

4 years of pre-med. 4 years of Medical School. Now you're in debt >$200K.
After graduation, you must somehow get a residency - 100 hours a week at around $25K a year for 3 years until you pass your medical boards. Your life is working in the hospital or a short stint sleeping in a close by apartment (that costs an arm and a leg) for 3 years.

Once you pass your medical boards, try to find a job while you continue working 100 hours a week - really difficult to impossible. You're not likely to make a lot straight out of residency.

Want to start your own office? Good luck paying for the malpractice insurance. That's the biggest cost for the office. That's the biggest cause of Medical careers going down hill. Too many lawsuits against you, you become Dr. Nick Riviera of the Simpsons.

If you want to become a surgeon, add about 10 years of surgery experience before your experience starts to impress the hospitals.

Let's evaluate Nurse (RN).

Usually they start out as a Nursing Assistant while studying for the RN. Spend a couple of years doing this or else you're going to get rejected for not having experience as a Nurse later on.

Get a BSN, pass the RN. Reward is 12 hour shifts and tons of overwork. What's a social life? What's life outside of work? Few know. They're worked to death.

Employers whine about the "shortage" but salaries are not going up and the overwork is not going down.
Average salaries for residents are double what you just said.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 10:19 AM
 
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Average salaries for residents are double what you just said.
You're right. That's still low for someone who has a doctorate and is responsible for people's lives.

Barely covers rent and student loan repayments.
 
Old 06-14-2018, 10:53 AM
 
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You're right. That's still low for someone who has a doctorate and is responsible for people's lives.

Barely covers rent and student loan repayments.
Loans are in forbearance during residency programs.

I'd recommend paying off accruing interest, but you don't need to make payments.
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