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Old 06-28-2018, 11:05 AM
 
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That your personal circumstances preclude you from getting the job that you want doesn't mean that there are no great jobs available without experience.
If there were, I would have found them. I'm a career changer from a consulting background. I can find roles in my current role - they require experience and I have it, so no problem. But when I look for entry level accounting and auditing jobs, 100% of them require 2-3 years experience.

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Your inability to understand that causes me to question your 4.0 gpa college experience.
Your inability to understand people causes me to question your ability to have empathy.

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Solution? It's not a problem.
So you do believe the job market is unicorns and rainbows.

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Students that take the right steps have very little trouble getting good employment.
And what are those "steps"? You never mentioned them.

I don't have psychic powers and am unable to read minds. If I could, I'd be a Poker World Champion
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:22 AM
 
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If there were, I would have found them.
Your personal inability to get a job doesn't mean there are no jobs. As I said, my students do it all the time (with no experience) and have done so for 23 years.

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I'm a career changer from a consulting background. I can find roles in my current role - they require experience and I have it, so no problem. But when I look for entry level accounting and auditing jobs, 100% of them require 2-3 years experience.
Perhaps there is a reason why the jobs you are looking at claim to have his requirement.

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Your inability to understand people causes me to question your ability to have empathy.
My empathy is exhausted for someone who continuously, erroneously, extrapolates their personal experience into a "universal truth" that is simply untrue.

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And what are those "steps"? You never mentioned them.

I don't have psychic powers and am unable to read minds. If I could, I'd be a Poker World Champion
You never asked before.

At my school, it's very simple. Major in accounting, study hard and keep your grades up, be an active member of the Accounting Club, take advantage of the opportunities the club provides to meet and interact with decision makers from public accounting firms, industry, government, etc., maintain those contacts until graduation, and profit with a great job. Students that follow those simple steps have multiple job offers one to two semesters before graduating. Get an internship in there, and it's even easier.
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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automation is progress.
It is as long as a UBI is included in displaced workers
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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Originally Posted by TaxPhd View Post
Your personal inability to get a job doesn't mean there are no jobs.
It does when searching yields zero results for accounting/auditing jobs that require no experience.


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As I said, my students do it all the time (with no experience) and have done so for 23 years.
Where is this? China?

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Perhaps there is a reason why the jobs you are looking at claim to have his requirement.
Entry level jobs require experience for what reason?

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My empathy is exhausted for someone who continuously, erroneously, extrapolates their personal experience into a "universal truth" that is simply untrue.
Like you do?

You benefit from cronyism (as you are a crony) and think that anyone can do it.

You have no empathy.


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You never asked before.
Many times. You chose not to read the requests.

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At my school, it's very simple. Major in accounting, study hard and keep your grades up,
Done, and done.


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be an active member of the Accounting Club, take advantage of the opportunities the club provides to meet and interact with decision makers from public accounting firms,
Done and done. My LI profile is filled with such contacts.


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Students that follow those simple steps have multiple job offers one to two semesters before graduating.
Not in Chicago.

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Get an internship in there, and it's even easier.
Internships cannot be obtained once one graduates. Recent grads and career changers are locked out.

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Old 06-28-2018, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Same role. Went back to school, 4.0GPA, got certified, and applied for jobs. Been told I can't get a job because I have no experience. Companies here want Big4 experience, and I don't have that. Big4 doesn't hire older workers.
OK, let's assume for the moment your experiences above are as you say they are (that is, not made up).

Why then did you go back to school for accounting knowing, as you say:

(a) you cannot get a job without Big4 experience
(b) Big4 will not hire you because of your age

Certainly both (a) and (b) above are knowable.

Why did you ignore what you assert to be a fundamental Truth with a capital "T"? While fortune favors the bold, fortune also favors informed risk-taking. Uninformed risk-taking is certainly evidence of a lack of business judgment I wouldn't accept among a more senior employee.

So what's the story?
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Old 06-28-2018, 11:49 AM
 
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It is as long as a UBI is included in displaced workers
The UBI is not the answer.

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Old 06-28-2018, 11:54 AM
 
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OK, let's assume for the moment your experiences above are as you say they are (that is, not made up).

Why then did you go back to school for accounting knowing, as you say:

(a) you cannot get a job without Big4 experience
(b) Big4 will not hire you because of your age

Certainly both (a) and (b) above are knowable.
Not until afterwards. 20/20 hindsight is perfect.

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So what's the story?
My question is: Do you have a solution to the problem or are you just going to put 100% the blame on me for trying to improve myself and learn new skills, and just look down on me declaring me evil for telling the truth?
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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The UBI is not the answer.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Do you have a solution to the problem or are you just going to put 100% the blame on me for trying to improve myself and learn new skills, and just look down on me declaring me evil for telling the truth?
I don't know you.
I don't look down on you.
I've never walked in your shoes. I don't judge you.
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Old 06-28-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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I used their mobile app to order and they deliver it at the curb.


I hope they process immediately the order to save time instead of waiting for you to be at the curb before they processed/prepare it.
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