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Of course you pick one of the few exceptions where the college degree is required
I doubt he was talking about medical doctors, engineering or scientists.
Do you really think those are the only "exceptions?" I could easily list another few dozen, if you'd like - starting with my own (although people rarely understand what we do).
Do you really think those are the only "exceptions?" I could easily list another few dozen, if you'd like - starting with my own (although people rarely understand what we do).
They are some of the very few, of course everyone with a degree is going to say that their degree is absolutely needed.
Maybe extended training or some sort of pseudo associates but there are VERY few professions that truly require spending 5-10 years in school.
They're still alive and well here in California, and I'm a member of one... maybe you meant to say "except in red states?"
And (to answer the OP), no I'm not disappointed. But I went for a more specific Master's Degree, which led right into what I already knew I wanted to do - and I've been doing it ever since. So I think more students need to think of what they want to DO, instead of just seeing their degrees as "something to get me somewhere." If that makes sense.
There definitely needs to be more guidance in this regard. When I started college, I only had some vague notions. My parents weren't professional, and really couldn't advise me. When I did get advice from career counselors, etc., it was so far out of line with the actual market (looking back in hindsight) that the advice was useless.
These degrees are required for any decent level paying job. That being said, NOT having a degree guarantees a low level paying job at best. Finishing college shows you can get a job done, take instruction, and have the ability to accomplish something bigger than yourself. Sure, it's not a promise to wealth and riches, but it's a MUCH better chance at it. I finish my Master's in December. I don't expect it to hand me a six figure income, but at least I can apply for some positions that I could not apply for previous to having a grad degree.
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These degrees are required for any decent level paying job. That being said, NOT having a degree guarantees a low level paying job at best. Finishing college shows you can get a job done, take instruction, and have the ability to accomplish something bigger than yourself. Sure,it's not a promise to wealth and riches, but it's a MUCH better chance at it. i finish my Master's in December. I don't expect it to hand me a six figure income, but at least I can apply for some positions that I could not apply for previous to having a grad degree.
I bolded what I think is part of the problem. For some reason some people think that a degree is the ticket to immediately get top pay right out of the gate. I saw this constantly teaching, especially my last ten or so years, with first year teachers wondering when they'd get upkicked to Department Chair or Administration and why was it taking so long. This was their first semester teaching.
One guy in particular I remember. He taught Business and did nothing but complain about his first year teacher salary (@$40K or so). He also claimed that all he ever wanted to do since he could remember was to teach. Talk about a disconnect.
He quit in April, so didn't even finish out his first year.
These degrees are required for any decent level paying job. That being said, NOT having a degree guarantees a low level paying job at best.
That is an untrue statement. Perpetuating that untrue statement is a large part of the current problem.
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Finishing college shows you can get a job done, take instruction, and have the ability to accomplish something bigger than yourself.
No, depending on major and school, it often means only that a person was willing to sit in a classroom and then regurgitate the instructor's lectures and notes on command.
I bolded what I think is part of the problem. For some reason some people think that a degree is the ticket to immediately get top pay right out of the gate. I saw this constantly teaching, especially my last ten or so years, with first year teachers wondering when they'd get upkicked to Department Chair or Administration and why was it taking so long. This was their first semester teaching.
One guy in particular I remember. He taught Business and did nothing but complain about his first year teacher salary (@$40K or so). He also claimed that all he ever wanted to do since he could remember was to teach. Talk about a disconnect.
He quit in April, so didn't even finish out his first year.
At least a few years ago, those $40k jobs were previously entry level were demanding qualifications that new grads wouldn't have.
I bolded what I think is part of the problem. For some reason some people think that a degree is the ticket to immediately get top pay right out of the gate.
"For some reason?"
It's because that's what everyone has been telling them explicitly since first grade.
Both of those guys have the potential of eventually earning $90K...or not.
That is an untrue statement. Perpetuating that untrue statement is a large part of the current problem.
No, depending on major and school, it often means only that a person was willing to sit in a classroom and then regurgitate the instructor's lectures and notes on command.
I'll rephrase....all jobs I looked at wanted at least a Bachelor's, warranted or not. Not waiting tables or bar tending, but professional level jobs. Wanna be a diesel tech? Still gotta have a cert or degree. I don't agree with it, but I am seeing the game has to be played. Yes, there are skilled labor jobs that may not require one, but not many.
And regarding your second statement, no matter what the circumstances are to complete the requirements, a student still has to do so, which presupposes what I have already stated. On a side note, higher education is WAY over-rated, but either way, one still has to stick to commitments, finish a job (requirement), and show they can follow through, regurgitating or not.
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