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What do you mean in regards to a user group ? Do you mean like a Facebook or linked in group for the industry you are looking to get a job in ?
A user group such as a specific application, product or service that has a user group for it. Also referred to as Meetups. They also have e-mail lists and Facebook groups for those types of user groups.
For example, if you work in software, there are software related user groups all over the US. You can attend meetings and often they are free or cost almost nothing.
Yes people can make $200,000 or more with a BA but a lot of people make much much less than that with a BA.
I don’t think it’s a terrible thing to push people to trades . Some people actually enjoy and find satisfaction in the work believe it or not. Even if it’s something you couldn’t see yourself doing .
Some people couldn’t stand sitting at a desk all day either .
Also the $200,000 jobs what part of the country ? NYC ?
Probably not too many of those positions in the Midwest . So it’s regional too.
Jobs that pay larger salaries are going to be in bigger cities. NYC, LA, Chicago, etc.
A user group such as a specific application, product or service that has a user group for it. Also referred to as Meetups. They also have e-mail lists and Facebook groups for those types of user groups.
For example, if you work in software, there are software related user groups all over the US. You can attend meetings and often they are free or cost almost nothing.
It makes more sense that tech oriented jobs would have online groups, more so than the very general customer service field.
It is easy to lecture others. Of course no one is guaranteed anything. That is just common sense. The bottom line is that it is getting more difficult for people to make ends meet than ever before. Sure, people can dance around trying to do the things that you mention, and it makes sense to do so, yet they still fail. When will anyone say that the whole system has become so skewed that it has just become too difficult for many to succeed? Of course, the employers have to remain blameless and it is never their fault for anything.
What would you have the employers do? Seriously, think about this. You filed the paperwork, put your personal credit on the line to form a company. Let's say an LLC. You need to hire qualified people that are trusted to do the job. You expect them to simply send an empty bus downtown and ask people to load into it, because you are going to hire them regardless of their skills, education or experience?
Many employers offer tuition reimbursement for their employees to attend college for free. It is in the company handbook, it is a benefit just like the health plan, so why aren't 100% of the employees taking them up on this to get a degree at no cost or at least improve their skills with taking college courses?
This is 2018, and the economy is good. No excuses any longer. This is not the Great Depression with a huge unemployment. Did you know currently there is no extension on unemployment benefits, and that's because unemployment is very low which is a good thing.
If people have to work harder than they did before, in your opinion, they aren't alone. The employers have to do this too. Did you notice all the store fronts closing because people are buying online? How can you fault Toys R Us? You think they wanted to go out of business? Like it was just all some evil plan to layoff their workers?
The businesses to survive have to work harder and that is reflected in the employees too. It's all on you. Don't look to an employer to hire a bunch of extra workers because they have cash available to do so, if they don't have work for them. Do you have a new driveway put in if you don't need it, simply to give a local guy the business? Do you get take-out lunch at three places in town at once just cause you can afford to do it? No, of course not.
You think running a business and being a capitalist is so easy. Start a company and show us all how it is done. You can treat the workers the way you think it should be done, and when you go out of business shortly because there are no profits then you will see what it's like.
It makes more sense that tech oriented jobs would have online groups, more so than the very general customer service field.
Go to MeetUp and start one in your area for whatever interests you. You never know, others might be interested in getting together and meeting others who work in customer service. They could have a forum for that too. Or you could start one.
For 20 years I’ve been doing customer service/sales support. I’ve been at my job for 4 years, the job before that 3 years and the job before that 10. I had no problem getting interview and offers with decent salaries. My job now is so stressful that most people are leaving (which makes it more stressful because of all the work that needs to be covered). But now I can barely get interviews....I’ve applied to over 70 jobs....the few interviews I had they seemed to really like me and said they would let me know within a few days (I always send a thank you email after) but I don’t hear back until 2 weeks later with a rejection email. Also I make 47K and most jobs are offering only $12 to $15 per hour. If the market is so great why am I having a more difficult time than I’ve ever had? Why was I getting interviews and offers and now in the last year seem to get no responses or rejections? Why has pay seem to go down so much?
Have you tried to become a floor manager or supervisor? Have you picked up any call center management skills? Have you tried for something where you can help to organize a customer support center?
When I worked in the call center for a large ticket agent company, I was in high school on a work study program. At 16, I was taking credit card orders over the phone for Janet Jackson, New Kids on the Block concerts, etc and selling subscriptions as upsells. I dealt with customers upset that certain tickets were sold out at 10:15 when they went on sale at 10am, but that was the worst of it. Pretty basic stuff and I enjoyed it, until I got bored and wasn’t feeling the pressure to sell even more subscriptions.
I know there’s more information intake and scripts involved now, plus many more customers ticked off about one thing or another, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot to it to warrant an actual salary. Again, unless a person is a floor supervisor or manager. I believe the Tier 2/3 people get more as well, but I believe they are tech support or have higher authorization for certain matters. You probably know better on that aspect.
My advice is too reach higher. If you need to take a course or two to align your skills to the next step, try to do that as well. You have too much experience to be entry-level support. Also, don’t be afraid to move into another company where the opportunity to grow and move up is greater. Pay attention to the potential for progression.
I really dont think the job market is that good. Its more competitive than ever. I feel bad for California...low wage but high cost of living....
Right now the expensive areas of California like Southern California ( L.A , Orange County etc) and the San Francisco Bay Area .
Doesn’t make much sense for people earning lower wages . The area was never cheap but inflation adjusted housing has gone up a lot .
Of course for long term homeowners this is very good . Also California has Prop 13 which keeps taxes low . Taxes don’t go up as property values go up so some people are in $1 million plus homes but paying little in taxes because they bought the house for maybe $300k or less year ago .
Little incentive to move for them .
There is a lot of talk among the California politicians about building “affordable housing “ but that’s pretty much just something they say to continue to get votes . Getting an “affordable “ unit is like winning a lottery .
A lot of people think it’s their “right “ to live in L.A cheap . A lot of people spending a lot of money on rent when they could be buying a nice elsewhere and building equity .
It can definitely make sense living in a high cost city if you are earning a lot or working towards something that has the potential to earn a lot . There are nice things about L.A like the weather , there are a diversity of people , food , entertainment etc but you definitely pay the “sunshine tax “
A lot of people are leaving to more affordable states like Texas , Arizona etc but the people leaving are getting replaced by higher income people from elsewhere .
What would you have the employers do? Seriously, think about this. You filed the paperwork, put your personal credit on the line to form a company. Let's say an LLC. You need to hire qualified people that are trusted to do the job. You expect them to simply send an empty bus downtown and ask people to load into it, because you are going to hire them regardless of their skills, education or experience?
Many employers offer tuition reimbursement for their employees to attend college for free. It is in the company handbook, it is a benefit just like the health plan, so why aren't 100% of the employees taking them up on this to get a degree at no cost or at least improve their skills with taking college courses?
This is 2018, and the economy is good. No excuses any longer. This is not the Great Depression with a huge unemployment. Did you know currently there is no extension on unemployment benefits, and that's because unemployment is very low which is a good thing.
If people have to work harder than they did before, in your opinion, they aren't alone. The employers have to do this too. Did you notice all the store fronts closing because people are buying online? How can you fault Toys R Us? You think they wanted to go out of business? Like it was just all some evil plan to layoff their workers?
The businesses to survive have to work harder and that is reflected in the employees too. It's all on you. Don't look to an employer to hire a bunch of extra workers because they have cash available to do so, if they don't have work for them. Do you have a new driveway put in if you don't need it, simply to give a local guy the business? Do you get take-out lunch at three places in town at once just cause you can afford to do it? No, of course not.
You think running a business and being a capitalist is so easy. Start a company and show us all how it is done. You can treat the workers the way you think it should be done, and when you go out of business shortly because there are no profits then you will see what it's like.
You are making my point very well. Of course you are right. But I never said that I think that running a business is easy. We can blame employees all we want and employers always come out blameless and smelling like a rose. However, the problem, no matter whoever's fault it is, is impacting our nation and way of life.
As workers find it harder and harder to get and hold on to jobs, the middle class is shrinking. This middle class is what drives the economy. There are not enough rich people to drive it by themselves. As the middle class shrinks, the economy keeps taking hits. Our prosperity becomes imperiled the smaller the middle class becomes. This in turn makes the US a weaker nation, again, no matter whose fault it is.
Despite stating my views on this and other threads, I have not advocated that employers should be forced to do anything. Businesses exist to make money, not coddle their employees and should not be forced to take corrective action by socialist means.
However, the problem remains. If people find themselves increasingly unable or unwilling to take extra action to remain in the middle class, then this country as a whole is imperiled. Even if the fault is always the employee, who finds it just too demanding to compete for jobs any more.
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