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Old 10-18-2018, 08:25 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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I wouldn't say that. My employer provides 4 weeks paid parental leave for a new mother or father and our state law provides another 5 weeks, combined with FMLA that's very generous and something none of us had when we had kids in the 80s-90s. Hiring someone who was a stay-at-home parent for years is not lack of support for parents, it's simply doing what's best for the business. There are many changes every year in the technology and processes used in business, employers want current experience.
Texas law does not provide that. My company's paternity leave is 2 weeks; maternity leave is short-term disability.


Seriously.


Short-term disability.


Then when you put the critter in day care, be prepared to drop about a thousand bucks a month.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:34 AM
 
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Texas law does not provide that. My company's paternity leave is 2 weeks; maternity leave is short-term disability.


Seriously.


Short-term disability.


Then when you put the critter in day care, be prepared to drop about a thousand bucks a month.
Gotta factor that in when people say no state income tax in TX and that answers why there's a surplus of jobs down there.

Also many TX posters report a high rate of UE claims denied off as Standard Operating Procedure.
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Old 10-18-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Gotta factor that in when people say no state income tax in TX and that answers why there's a surplus of jobs down there.

Also many TX posters report a high rate of UE claims denied off as Standard Operating Procedure.
This isn't a state where you have a lot of rights as an employee. Basically you have the bare minimum mandated by the federal government and that's about it.


It's a free-for-all down here.
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Old 10-19-2018, 01:58 AM
 
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The same thing I was doing, except they weren't a stay at home dad in their 40s who hadn't worked in many years who use to be an engineer trying to get into a completely different field.
Ouch thats me. Except the stay at home dad part, what kind of engineer?
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:17 PM
 
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High in demand skills are gained by experience.

However, high in demand skills are NOT exclusively gained by experience.



People CAN go and learn high demand skills either by teaching themselves or taking classes.



The problem is that employers think that skills obtained by learning is not worth anything, unless accompanied by time spent at another employer who paid them for those skills.
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Why hire Americans with no experience when you can hire Indian H1B's who graduated from coding boot camp with 5 years experience in the needful already under their belt?

And of course, the H1Bs never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever lie on their resumes. Pinky swear! Only Americans lie on their resumes.


at least that's what the usual suspects tell the employers.
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:27 PM
 
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There is no catch-22. While in school it was your job to intern

No, my job in school was to learn what I was being taught, obtain good grades and get a diploma.



Internships are at best a dice roll. Many internships require experience and here is such huge amount of competition for them, that most can't get them. Then let's say through some miracle one DOES get an internship, if they don't get the FTE job after after the internship, that 6 month internship does not qualify one for the entry level job that requires 2-3 years experience.


In addition, one cannot obtain internships after graduation. So many recent grads and career changers get locked out. In addition, career changers can't live with mommy and daddy so they can get that minimum wage internship that only if the dice roll is correct, they can get a FTE job afterwards.



Saying that there is no catch-22 is out of touch with reality.



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and work part-time at businesses and full-time at them during the summer
Employers don't count experience gained at McJobs.



"Yes, you worked during the summer flipping hamburgers and sweeping warehouses, but we don't count that experience toward the position of Marketing assistant."



Seriously. Rather than sitting around denying what recent grads and career changers are getting hit with daily, how about actually provide actual solutions?


Dump internships. Create entry level jobs that require no experience.
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:35 PM
 
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What catch-22?

The one that has the requirement of having experience to get a job, but the only way to get the experience is to get a job.



Let me guess, you got lucky and didn't have to deal with that. So you now look down on those who have this problem.



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Do what everyone else does, take lower level jobs,
What "lower level job" gives experience that allows someone to get the entry level job?


Let's talk about cybersecurity. We keep hearing about the huge amount of career opportunities there and the millions of open jobs. (shh, don't mention 100% of these jobs require cybersecurity experience)



Someone goes to school, learns cybersecurity, gets a certification and tries to apply for a job in cybersecurity. They get rejected for not having experience.



You expect them to work at Geek Squad or helpdesk. OK they do so.

You REALLY expect an employer to say "Hey you! Yes you, you helped resolve that Microsoft Word problem I had, I want to hire you for that cybersecurity position that is open that requires 3-5 years experience!"


Not happening.


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volunteer to do extra,
Extra where? Volunteer work does not pay anything, why would someone pay someone to do work that they're currently doing for free?





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prove you're worth better jobs.
How? Sounds like another cliche.
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Old 10-20-2018, 10:00 PM
 
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The one that has the requirement of having experience to get a job, but the only way to get the experience is to get a job.



Let me guess, you got lucky and didn't have to deal with that. So you now look down on those who have this problem.



Sounds about right.
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Old 10-20-2018, 10:15 PM
 
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The one that has the requirement of having experience to get a job, but the only way to get the experience is to get a job

Let me guess, you got lucky and didn't have to deal with that. So you now look down on those who have this problem.
There is no catch-22. There are people who don't understand the job market, and people looking for excuses.

Ignoring your judgmental jabs, is anyone who doesn't blame 'the system' simply lucky? I've been far from lucky in my life. Funny how the more hours I work, the more I study, and the more effort I put in, the 'luckier' I get.

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What "lower level job" gives experience that allows someone to get the entry level job?
Do you mean entry level as in someone's first job ever, entry level as in entry level for a specific profession, or entry level as in entry level for a specific job in a profession?

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How? Sounds like another cliche.
I hope you don't actually think putting in effort and proving your worth is a cliche.

The problem with your example is people ARE getting jobs in cybersecurity with no experience. If you want experience though, take a job as a helpdesk tech, network admin, etc. That's related experience. It shows you know how to solve problems, you're comfortable around technology, and are able to be trained into something like cybersecurity. With respect, it sounds like you need to talk to some career counselors. You misunderstand a few things around the job market.

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