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Old 03-25-2019, 05:48 PM
 
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If you were an employer, would you hire a worker or a coaster?
The question is incomplete.

If you were an employer who did not care about your bonus check, would you hire a worker or a coaster? If you only cared about your bonus check, you'd lay off both of them, at the expense of your company's future, as long as your bonus check is increased.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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Some companies value the hard work and willingness to go above and beyond. Most donít.
Companies who reject candidates with the "overqualified" word don't want employees who go above and beyond the call of duty.
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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A strict meritocracy coupled with a good ranking and rating system does wonders for getting rid of deadwood.
In the real world, there is no meritocracy.

For most companies, executives only care about their bonus check, which means not only do they let go of the deadwood, they also get rid of quality people and watch the company go down in flames as they pull the ripcord on their golden parachutes.
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Old 03-25-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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Companies who reject candidates with the "overqualified" word don't want employees who go above and beyond the call of duty.
That's not true. Companies don't hire the over-qualified because they know the employee will leave at the first opportunity. When a higher paying job that's more in line with the employee's qualification leads the person elsewhere, all that training and time invested is wasted. It has nothing to do with not wanting employees to go above and beyond
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:11 PM
 
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So many people create problems for themselves.

They don't put in more effort because 'the company isn't worth it'. That leads to them not building new skills, not being able to keep up with co-workers, so when layoffs happen, the people who don't put in effort are the first to go (or they are left behind, not promoted, etc).

When those other people get ahead, those same people try to protect their poor choices by claiming 'nepotism' or 'networking' is how other people actually got ahead. You can work hard without getting stressed out. 'coasting' all but guarantees someone will get behind on their skillset, and more often than not puts people into stagnant careers.

Obviously a large number of people will disagree with me here, especially how anti-work this forum is.
If you are a boss or in the management, keep saying that to blind people in hope they change and do more work for you, so you can be richer or get big bonus from your big boss.

If you are an employee, keep wearing pink glasses and drinking Kool Aid.

People express their opinions based on their own experiences through many years of working. Most employees are caring and want to do their best at the beginning. Only until they experience how hard they work, how better they wan to do for the company, how much above and beyond they go, they are not valued by the management, and worse, they see all the unfairness, favoritisms, then they learn to "coast". People are not stupid.

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Old 03-25-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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If you are a boss or in the management, keep saying that to blind people in hope they change and do more work for you, so you can be richer or get big bonus from your big boss.

If you are an employee, keep wearing pink glasses and drinking Kool Aid.

People express their opinions based on their own experiences through many years of working. Most employees are caring and want to do their best at the beginning. Only until they experience how hard they work, how better they wan to do for the company, how much above and beyond they go, they are not valued by the management, and worse, they see all the unfairness, favoritisms, then they learn to "coast". People are not stupid.
I know many people on this forum who 'coast' and complain all the time that they can't advance, are overlooked, etc. Funny how that works. They make their own problems. Work harder to prove you can get the next job, if you're not doing it for the one you're at.

Coasting pretty much guarantees you will struggle to advance, and will struggle to find a better job somewhere else.
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Old 03-25-2019, 09:58 PM
 
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I know many people on this forum who 'coast' and complain all the time that they can't advance, are overlooked, etc. Funny how that works. They make their own problems. Work harder to prove you can get the next job, if you're not doing it for the one you're at.

Coasting pretty much guarantees you will struggle to advance, and will struggle to find a better job somewhere else.
It seems you always want to lecture people and always want to have the last words.

People don't care about those people in management who say one thing and do the other. Fake, fake, fake. Lie, lie, lie. Employees don't always listen to what the management say, they watch what they do.

If people work hard and feel valued, they feel happy and want to stay with the company and always want to do a good job for the company. Is that not good enough or very good? How much more and more the management expect from someone who's already good?

There are some stupid managers who don't value the hard-working employees but just value and favour the ones who can bribe and flatter them to make them feel good. Those managers are corrupted, and they are the ones that cause problems for the employees and the company. Because of those stupid and corrupted managers, the employees phone in sick more, change from above and beyond to mediocre.

People don't have to work harder to prove they can get the next job. They know they already worked hard. And when they are not happy, they will look somewhere else, and when they get a job somewhere else, they will leave. It’s just simple as that. And they don't always need the reference from the company anyway.

The point is stupid managers don't know the difference between the "coasting" employees and the *sskissers because the "coasting" employees can camouflage.

Now it's your turn to have the last words if you want.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:05 AM
 
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and don't do any more work than is required to brown nose.
Since you brought it up. Give us an example of what you think this actually is? Please provide an example of the dialogue and actions of the people involved.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:13 AM
 
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Some people have this fantasy that if you work hard, bend over and take it, and stay loyal to a company, then that said company will return the favor and put you first. Yeah...doesn't always play out that way. I'm not saying to slack off; yes you should put in your best effort but one should prioritize on what makes your resume look good, because no matter what, you are never truly safe from a layoff. It's YOUR career, not the company's.
If a company loses a huge account and 20 people do nothing but work on that account, yes, there is going to be a layoff. But they are going to transfer the most valuable people to other projects if they can. And when the quality of the work suffers, they are going to get rid of the deadwood too. This is a fact of life for a business. You have some alternative form of reality of how this should work?

Loyal? The customers aren't loyal, no one is expecting you to be loyal. I believe you are misguided in what is expected from you. The company isn't safe from competition either, I don't know why people are expecting some sort of guaranteed employment for life regardless of the situation they are in.

The idea of not doing your best work for your entire working life so you can sit home when there is a layoff and feel better that you didn't give it your best by saying "I told you so", that sounds like a very shallow and sad life.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:47 AM
 
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I know many people on this forum who 'coast' and complain all the time that they can't advance, are overlooked, etc. Funny how that works. They make their own problems. Work harder to prove you can get the next job, if you're not doing it for the one you're at.

Coasting pretty much guarantees you will struggle to advance, and will struggle to find a better job somewhere else.
Or you can work as hard as you can and get more and more duties not in the job description, never get promoted or a decent raise because there is no money for it. I have seen it lots of times. Not ever job or field has a ton of promotion opportunities. If you are in one that does offer a lot of opportunities, great, but if not, no need to stress yourself out
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