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Old 04-01-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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It's been obvious for a while that job interviews are a bad joke. Choosing an engineer or scientist by grilling him/her with stupid HR type questions like where do you see yourself in 5 years, or what kind of animal you would be or forcing them to take pseudoscience psychometric tests marketed to gullible companies is a really bad way to choose employees.

The best would be do a simple interview to ensure they can comport themselves like a professional, verify qualifications, and give them a probationary period during which they can easily be fired if they don't work out.

Agreed. I'm a massage therapist and it's pretty much standard to have to give some sort of massage as part of the interview process. I've only ever been compensated for this once...$10 for a 15 min practical...not too bad. But most places try to pull the "1 hr massage practical" as a normal part of the hiring process (or even a 15 min practical)...BULL!!! time is money and the going rate is at least $1 a minute....these people are getting free massages at this point!

If the candidate graduated from an accredited school, has decent references, a decent GPA AND passed the state board exam etc, then they are qualified for a basic entry level position. Time will then tell whether or not the person can routinely give a decent massage (including basic time management (lots of therapist routinely go over the amount of time or short change people). It costs these places next to nothing for training for a therapist b/c all they really need to do is tell us things like how to clean up and stock the room, how to clock in and out...they don't need to actually spend time training us on how to do our job b/c it's a skilled labor job and we need to be licensed before we can (legally) practice.

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Old 04-01-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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I wouldn't especially if they use my sample posts for their actual feed. I wouldn't want my labour to be done for free and the company benefits from it. If I get asked to do it and I got fooled before, I'd state that I do not work for free, I had a previous company rip me off for it. If they press, I say the interview is over.

As far as I can see they haven't done that (on the social media accounts I have anyway). But I agree. I don't think I'd do it again.
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:35 PM
 
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I was recently asked to write 5 different types of social media posts for an interview. Took me about 2 hours to make it perfect, and I didn't get paid for that. It did land me an interview but I didn't get the job either. Honestly was a blessing in disguise from what I've heard and the commute would have been awful anyway, but it annoyed me at the time. I don't think I'd do it again.
My husband was asked to create something for a company he interviewed for and he did. Honestly, I get it, when you're desperate, you'll try. Anyway, he made it and it was still a no. He laughed a good laugh when he saw how awful the person was that they hired (much cheaper, I presume) and less than a year later, that product ceased to exist and he would've been out of a job. Blessing in disguise indeed!
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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Certain professions would NOT want the liability . I can't imagine a business risking a lawsuit for a high rise window washer to demonstrate his skills! .

Or a nurse being required to monitor the iv and pic line. Talk about jeopardizing a patient.
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Old 04-01-2019, 03:23 PM
 
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I love the idea of capitalism, but good lord, American corporations are awful - almost as bad as government. They try to portray themselves as caring, progressive members of a community while simultaneously having people work for free during the applicant process, have interns work for free for months on end and generally treat existing customers like trash (zero customer loyalty) while fawning over the next potential sale.


My dad is in his 60s and works in a profession. He was laid off, and it soon became clear to him that many of his "practical interviews" were simply attempts to get free consulting out of him. These scumbag companies know how desperate laid-off workers are (particularly older ones) and they try to exploit that vulnerability to the max.
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Old 04-01-2019, 07:17 PM
 
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Years ago, when I for a job as a manuscript typist, I was asked to do a typing test and agreed. Imagine my surprise when they put 7 entire pages in front of me. I had already agreed, so I typed it. The output was proclaimed "pretty good" but there were other people coming for interviews and the guy wanted me to do it again now that I was more comfortable on their equipment (heavy on the sarcasm here). I said finish your other interviews and if you still want me to take another test, I'll come back. The look on the guy's face was pure rage and I couldn't get out of there fast enough. I wonder how many "interviews" it took to get his manuscript typed.
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Old 04-01-2019, 07:49 PM
 
Location: S.W. Florida
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According to this article, "Interviewers are increasingly making absurd demands on applicants’ time..."


As time goes on, hiring practices are only going to get worse. It's hard to imagine what the future in 'human procurement' (talent "acquisition, they call their trade) will look like.


Even now, the combination of these things has made things much more difficult than it was 20 years ago:

* Technology - ATSs and online application processes that enforce responses
* Job boards that give employers increasingly powerful tools to weed the crop of candidates
* Irrational, unjust, entrenched primitive biases that have become best practices
* Virtual networking and sharing intelligence on applicants between recruiters
* Increasing use of personality tests that alienate intelligent, insightful candidates.
(There is an example of one large employer in my city forcing applicants to take their test within the online application under the guise of assessing candidate's values to theirs, but the test is really a risk assessment tool to identify applicants who are more likely to file discrimination complaints)
* Miscellaneous other onerous processes


...But I haven't heard about an emerging practice of giving candidates actual work to do as part of the selection process. So some of them must be getting burned by their presumptions of competence for certain applicants, presumptions of incompetence for "diverse" candidates, over-confidence in interviewing, hiring by referrals, gut checks for "cultural fit", etc. So now this lunacy:

https://slate.com/human-interest/201...ree-labor.html


This makes me think wonder what recruiters will being doing 5 - 10 years from now that would shock us today. I wonder...
You never heard of Toyota requiring potential new hires to work a FREE 8 hour day doing simulated line work? That used to be standard practice for them,and nobody complained then!
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:34 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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In an at will world doing work to prove competence is a scam when it's just as easy to provide them with a sample of work that you've done for someone else.
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Someone can demand anything they want in an interview. If you don't like it, don't work for those companies.

That's actually a good solution. Why would I want to want to work for someone who is going to scam me for free work. You can bet that if they have the stones to do that at the interview, it will be downhill from there.


What it really says is, are you desperate enough to take this sweat shop job?
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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That's actually a good solution. Why would I want to want to work for someone who is going to scam me for free work. You can bet that if they have the stones to do that at the interview, it will be downhill from there.

What it really says is, are you desperate enough to take this sweat shop job?
Some ARE just trying to get free work out of people, but others are not. Top consulting firms (Deloitte, McKinsey, Bain, etc.) often have case competitions where they ask applicants to 'work' to prove what they can do. Sometimes the job is competitive enough it's worth the extra effort to prove you deserve it.

It depends on a person's goals. You'd spend a few hours researching a company, the backgrounds of the people interviewing you, etc. anyway before actually setting foot in the door for your first interview. You should know after that if they are the kind of company who would give a test to see if you know what you're talking about, or if they are just trying to take advantage of you.
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