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Old 04-05-2019, 08:56 PM
 
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But will it stop the employers from treating their talent like garbage?

No raise despite "knock the ball out of the park" performance.
100 hour weeks regularly.

Watch how AI will be used to make sure that bad employer behavior happens.

How is this a good thing?
It is a good thing because these are metrics which can't be gathered easily through other data collection methods. I don't get why you think this is some evil thing. It is no different than tracking what food is being thrown out in a restaurant because the customers aren't eating it, so they can change the menu and make further adjustments.

No one is working 100 hours a week knocking it out of the ball park in performance. Because if they were, they would get a job elsewhere that would reward it if that employer won't. I know people like to whine are terrible treatment, but if you are such a rock star where you work, go elsewhere. The list of excuses why you can't leave your current job are soon to follow we can be sure.
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Old 04-05-2019, 09:53 PM
 
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It is a good thing because these are metrics which can't be gathered easily through other data collection methods.
What metrics?


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I don't get why you think this is some evil thing.
Because AI is used to put people out of work. Why do you think that people losing their jobs is a good thing?
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Old 04-06-2019, 02:59 AM
 
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What metrics?




Because AI is used to put people out of work. Why do you think that people losing their jobs is a good thing?
You don't know what metrics are? Try Google.

AI isn't used to put people out of work. It is used to reduce the cost of data collections and to achieve a useful algorithm to it can be implemented to solve a problem more easily.

Saying AI is used to put people out of work, it like saying math is used to put people out of work.

If the goal was to lay people off, a company doesn't need technology to do that. They have been laying people off before there was electricity.
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Old 04-06-2019, 03:31 AM
 
Location: Ft Myers, FL
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Rometty said that since IBM implemented technology more widely including cloud services and other modernization, the tech giant has reduced the size of its global human resources department by 30 percent.
Well, I guess we now know who was involved in the Beta testing ...
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:50 AM
 
Location: ATL -> HOU -> DAL
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It wouldn't surprise if age and salary were the predominant factors in people quitting. I often see entry level employees quit after 2-3 years. They are handed 2-3% raises, while their value may have gone up 30-50%. If an employee was hired with 10 years experience, their market rate doesn't change at 12-13 years experience after adjusting for 2-3%.
Sounds like my last job. High turnover rates at the entry level. Many leave around the 2 year mark or even before then. Some less than a year, I know of 2 people just during my time there that left within 4 months for better jobs. Starting salary was low, raises were better than 3%, but with a lower salary, you aren't increasing the actual amount of money by a lot so it really didn't feel a substantial jump in pay all while your skill level has jumped up. You're exactly right with that (at least for all but the worst of workers). There's so much early growth for someone coming in with no experience and possibly no relevant knowledge. Now, there's absolutely something to be said for someone with 30 years of experience. But what's 1 year added to that 30? Is it really going to make a big difference in value if they're doing the same job? Probably not. There's still growth of course, but it's really follows a logarithmic curve. High year to year gains early, lower gains later.

A lot of my former coworkers (and other people I know) went to the NWS which has all the predetermined salary grades and all that. I know for them there are large jumps in pay in the first 5 years, more in line with their actual increase in value.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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You don't know what metrics are? Try Google.
Can't read for context? Try again. He was asking "what metrics are you talking about?"

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AI isn't used to put people out of work. It is used to reduce the cost of data collections and to achieve a useful algorithm to it can be implemented to solve a problem more easily.
Yup, says so right there in the brochure.

Tools like this, whether they actually work or not, are used for the most base, profit-oriented, worker-slamming possible purposes. No one familiar with the history of labor and workforce management is going to fall for this happy-happy joy-joy interpretation of how management and HR will use it.
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Old 04-06-2019, 10:19 PM
 
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AI isn't used to put people out of work.
Bullplop.

There is only one thing it is used for, and that is to replace people.
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Old 04-07-2019, 01:17 AM
 
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Bullplop.

There is only one thing it is used for, and that is to replace people.
No reason to be rude. You have a legitimate source on this information to point us to? Because I must have missed the evil AI lectures.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:39 PM
 
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No reason to be rude. You have a legitimate source on this information to point us to? Because I must have missed the evil AI lectures.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/29/one-...utomation.html

AI is technology designed to replace people and put them out of work. It is not like the technology which makes people more productive and valuable.
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Old 04-10-2019, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Ft Myers, FL
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https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/29/one-...utomation.html

AI is technology designed to replace people and put them out of work. It is not like the technology which makes people more productive and valuable.
You're thinking of Automation, not Artificial Intelligence (AI,) which, BTW, your article never mentions. They may share some basic similarities, but they are not the same.

Automation may be designed to replace jobs, but if used correctly, AI can indeed increase human workers' productivity and value without risking their employment.
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