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Old 04-08-2019, 04:06 AM
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Location: Georgia
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You have a department with 300 people in it, you don't need everyone to be expensive to get the work done, you only need them in the leadership roles.
Yes, that's precisely the tactic that we've been highlighting as the cause of the problems we have been underscoring: The systematic de-valuing of work leading to an ever-increasing gap between inflation and wage growth. This isn't about what any one individual company does in a specific circumstance but rather about what an "asleep-at-the-wheel" society has allowed to happen to itself -- changes leading to a commoditization of its people for the benefit of an ever-narrowing few.

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That's because it is hard work to actually improve yourself ...
Nonsense. If everyone was "improved" society would still have the same break-down of jobs by level; would still have the same gap between inflation and wage growth, etc. - basically the only thing that that what you are suggesting would change is that it would cause underemployment to skyrocket. Our society doesn't need more people "improved" as you suggest. What our society needs is a labor/employment marketplace that more highly values all manner of work.
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Old 04-08-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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One of the hallmarks of the aforementioned morals gap is how readily someone abandons a self-serving position when it no longer suits their circumstances. Some of them resent Social Security except when they're the recipient; some of them vigorously oppose health insurance subsidies except when the rules send them over the 400% FPL cliff; etc.

This! I am sick and tired of our generation being called selfish by a generation with this kind of mindset.
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Old 04-08-2019, 11:03 AM
 
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This! I am sick and tired of our generation being called selfish by a generation with this kind of mindset.
Yes, we're very very selfish. /s

We didn't bust our asses for someone to give us a chance. It's clearly our fault that employers are picky and refuse to train, then cry there no talent. /s
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Old 04-08-2019, 11:07 AM
 
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No doubt this is the first generation which will be significantly less well off than the previous generations. That isn’t good
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Old 04-08-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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Fed rate hikes are killing growth. The Federal Reserve should cut interest rates by 0.5% to boost the economy and jobs.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...p-trolls-powel
Cut the rates to what, -0.5%? They're already record low. The Federal Reserve should never have been created in the first place. It's only kept around so that they can continue to loot the people with taxation, especially the 16th Amendment, and also so they can devalue the dollar by printing more money so they can make that $22 (or was it $23 now?) trillion debt even larger. Then, while it gets harder to make ends meet, they come up with measures such as raising the minimum wage to $15/hr so that they can wipe out the small guys and make the huge guys even bigger and more monopolistic. And as an added bonus, while the rich companies get richer, pleasing the R's, the Dems get more people on government aid, and hence more votes.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:42 PM
 
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So they get those who cost less which are going to be younger.
They won't hire older people even if they take that pay cut.

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spending that time actually improving their skills and get ahead of the curve
Except for sales and Mcjobs, there are no entry level jobs that require no experience. So someone improves their skills and gets rejected for not having experience.


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That's because it is hard work to actually improve yourself
Yes, it is hard work to actually improve yourself, and many people do, only to get rejected for not having experience in the new skillset.

People are not rewarded for improving themselves.
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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Hear this mostly from the MAGA supporters.
And also years ago from the Obama supporters too. Both parties are only interested in enriching cronies at our expense.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:11 PM
 
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And like that, people realized that "Make America Great Again" was just "Hope and Change" for blue-collar white folks, and it too was an empty catchphrase.
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Old 04-09-2019, 03:50 AM
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Location: Georgia
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Yes, it is hard work to actually improve yourself, and many people do, only to get rejected for not having experience in the new skillset. People are not rewarded for improving themselves.
This is a relatively new phenomenon, or at least we're just starting to get some data behind the realization. While you can't get one of the "Class A" jobs without a college education, we're clearly trending toward a situation where the cost of a college education stacked up against the advantage it affords you becomes a wash, or worse, a waste. Of course, if you ride the top of the wave it'll pay off, but as the probability of being able to ride the top of the wave continues to decline you reach that break-even point and eventually fall below it.

And it make sense from a societal standpoint: As deliberate action has degraded the value of work itself, and things have been explicitly restructured so as to provide fewer and fewer opportunities to "ride the top of the wave", society rewards fewer and fewer people for having gained the credentials necessary to do so, and rewards those who do "ride the top of the wave" less since there is more supply and lower demand for workers with those credentials.

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And also years ago from the Obama supporters too. Both parties are only interested in enriching cronies at our expense.
Putting aside the politics, an objective view has to be able to recognize the difference, highlighted by how many early-retired MAGA cap wearers are discussing how they work to stay under the 400% FPL cliff, and how much the legislators MAGA cap wearers vote for claim to have always supported some of ACA's provisions such as that pertaining to preexisting conditions. As much as MAGA cap wearers' rhetoric said one thing, their actions say the exact opposite. We don't see that coming from the Obama supporters - there is nothing about the big changes that the MAGA supporters are helping bringing about today that the Obama supporters capitalize on and appreciate themselves. Clearly, one side's big changes are helping many on both sides, while the other side's big changes aren't.
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Old 04-09-2019, 05:00 AM
 
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What our society needs is a labor/employment marketplace that more highly values all manner of work.
Is that would you do? Do you go into a store to buy items overpriced to keep the workers the employer pays more because he so highly values them? No, you don't, and neither does a business because it needs to stay in business.

You want to be more highly valued, then offer up something of higher value. But it is easier to just collect data on doom and gloom, cause you will have lots of company from other negative people. The bars are full of them.
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