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Old 04-05-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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I have never worked where we had Monday Holidays....spring breaks....two week Christmas breaks or the summer off.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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I have never worked where we had Monday Holidays....spring breaks....two week Christmas breaks or the summer off.
So?
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:09 PM
 
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That is very common in higher ed. I worked at a public university that had not given faculty raises in the last 10 years. If you teach at a public institution in a red state this is just the new normal. Even if their wages are stagnant, most tenured professors would find it impossible to get a better salary in the private sector.
10 years, wow! That certainly isn't anything they tell college students when they encourage them to look for a professorship. I can't imagine morale is very good at a place like that.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:11 PM
 
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It's time people stop using tenure as expectation for a raise. You leave and get your own raise. Companies are not required to give them, they do when pressured.
Easier said than done. Not everything worked in academia is directly transferrable to the private sector.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:12 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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That is very common in higher ed. I worked at a public university that had not given faculty raises in the last 10 years. If you teach at a public institution in a red state this is just the new normal. Even if their wages are stagnant, most tenured professors would find it impossible to get a better salary in the private sector.
Not just higher ed.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/54866282-post9.html

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Last 11 years before retirement cumulative COLAs of 2.5%. Was taking home less at year 31 than year 20. During that time of teachers and nonexempt employees getting 2.5% the administrators from school based up through Superintendents received their yearly raises, both step and COLA, as well as bonuses.
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Old 04-05-2019, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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I have never worked where we had Monday Holidays....spring breaks....two week Christmas breaks or the summer off.
I am not sure what a “Monday Holiday” is. Faculty jobs in higher ed are similar to teacher jobs in K12, where they do have this fixed times off, but they also do not get flexible vacation time. They are also expected to revise curriculum constantly, which tends to happen during breaks, as well as publish in their field, which again often happens during breaks.

As a non-academic employee I do not get spring break, Christmas break or summers off, instead I have typical vacation time.
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:30 PM
 
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I have never worked where we had Monday Holidays....spring breaks....two week Christmas breaks or the summer off.
Where do you get this idea? The professors I know work during those breaks. They are expected to bring in several times their pay in funding. When th hey agent teaching they are developing proposals and funded research. 8
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Old 04-05-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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That should be number 99 on this list.

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Old 04-05-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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Where do you get this idea? The professors I know work during those breaks. They are expected to bring in several times their pay in funding. When th hey agent teaching they are developing proposals and funded research. 8
I stand corrected.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:01 PM
 
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I have a friend of a friend who is a tenured college professor. He was complaining to us at lunch that he has not gotten a raise in six years. Not even cost of living. His gross pay is exactly what it was six years ago he said. Is this normal in academia? Man, so much for chasing a tenured job. Meanwhile college tuition costs have been going up, but no raise for this guy.

I know nothing about working in academia and teaching, but it seems to me if you have not gotten a raise in six years, they aren't interested in keeping you there at all. Or is this just something those who teach in college have to put up with? They have such a huge pool of talent to select from so the colleges don't care?

No company would do this and expect employees to stay there. I guess with a college, they have few options. It isn't like there are thousands of colleges in a single town for you to find a job elsewhere like in other industries.
That's exactly why they're not getting raises.

I think "tenure" in general is not a coveted designation across the board. It means next to nothing (or doesn't exist) at some schools, whereas in others it may grant distinct benefits, pay, and esteem in others.
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