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Old 04-05-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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If you have nothing but software devs, your software's quality will be utter garbage.

Cheap out on QA and software quality goes down the toilet.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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Software developers don't always design the optimal user experience. You need UX researchers and designers. Take a look at Microsoft as an example.

Twitter has a UX team.

OKCupid has a huge UX team. In fact, they an entire team dedicated to design systems.

There's a reason why companies focused on UX (Apple, MS, Instagram, SnapChat, etc.) are successful. There's a reason why companies focused on data (NYT, Google, spotify, etc.) are successful.

It seems like you don't have much experience running a company or even a product.
This is the only post even in the same ballpark as what I'd find on Blind. Good job.
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Old 04-05-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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My experience says the exact opposite. Software developers are so in love with their code they are unwilling to make it useful to the actual end user. Seen lots of bad come from that.
Worked in Computers as a consultant for over 40 years. Started with Sperry Univac(Sperry Corp) in Main Frame computers.
I would like to see companies like Microsoft stop hiding things that call home to mama so they can follow how you use
and where you use the product for gains in profits. This started with windows 10 and now to buy some software like
office you are made to have an account on Outlook.com which Microsoft owns and it too tracks you any time you are
on the internet!
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Old 04-05-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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There is an old saying when it comes to Software Development:
It is called the KISS method. This stands for Keep It Simple Stupid!
Seems like all want to include way too much and it becomes a piece of crap for the user!
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Old 04-05-2019, 08:04 PM
 
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I doubt this is true if they are selling their software to the end user
Oh there's plenty of execs and buyers who will buy software they never actually have to use. What other product will call a major defect a "feature?"
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Old 04-05-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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There is an old saying when it comes to Software Development:
It is called the KISS method. This stands for Keep It Simple Stupid!
Um, you messed that up big time.....
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Old 04-05-2019, 08:51 PM
 
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I would go as far as saying that UX designers aren't that necesarry, because software developers do a perfectly good job of designing the optimal user experience for their code.
Hey, how about a restaurant with no cooks, where the customers come in and make their own food. "I always wanted to make my own pie!" said Elaine from Seinfeld.

That's laughable. We already has that done in the 1990s and had horrible looking interfaces, horrible graphics and things that made no sense. We don't need to bring that back again.

You don't agree? Go start your own company and show us all how it is done.
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:28 PM
 
Location: NYC
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Software companies are like service companies. They don't sell a product, they sell services. You buy software and it requires services in order for a company to use it or else something doesn't work. They won't help you unless you have a service contract with them.

My biggest problem is that software companies keep outsourcing their support to overseas workers that can't even speak English or understand the product enough.

Big companies get assigned support account managers that can communicate better but they still use cheap lousy support engineers to work on your problems.

Mega multi-million $ software company I dealt with, my client pays them $5 million a year for the software and $500k annually for support. And the kind of support engineer they use aren't even trained well enough to support and manage their own product. Constant turn overs at their support, one support person understands the product then a few weeks later the guy is gone or transferred elsewhere. New engineer was totally clueless and I knew more about the product then he does.
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Old 04-06-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Companies become bloated and inefficient when a large number of product managers, program managers, etc. get added to the mix.

I would go as far as saying that UX designers aren't that necesarry, because software developers do a perfectly good job of designing the optimal user experience for their code.

Lean companies like Twitter are almost entirely comprised of software devs. They run everything including the finances/accounting.

The best example is the online dating site OkCupid, run by a dozen software devs.

I can't believe the numbers of times in my life as a dev I have been asked to implement something completely useless, e.g. some expensive new service for "telemetry" so that some beuracrat and crunch meaningless numbers to put in a PowerPoint presentation.

The show Silicon Valley has a great episode where they get a new CEO who hires a fleet of Sales and Marketing people who cancel all the useless engineering projects and run the company into the ground.

You don't want Sales and Marketing or HR to run an IT department. That's where the mathematically challenged spend their careers. Would you have Goldman Sachs run by IT? They are a financial firm run by financial specialists. IT is a service that serves the bottom line in most large companies.

In a software company, running it with developers in charge is OK, but you need the perspective that sales people and financial people can add. In many situations programmers are not trained to answer the financial questions. Programmers may not be trained to even ask the right questions.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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In many situations programmers are not trained to answer the financial questions. Programmers may not be trained to even ask the right questions.
OP probably thinks knowing how to write excel formulas is all it take to be CFO.
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