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Old 04-12-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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What good is a reference check after they have made an offer and you accepted? What is the point then?
That's not the sequence. After the company has decided to make an offer, the last step is to request your references and then they make a formal offer. No reason any of them need it before that, especially a headhunter.
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Old 04-12-2019, 11:14 AM
 
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Good call. I worked for the state of Oregon and references were required on the written application. I remember one interviewee who stated that there might be some red flags on the references provided, and by golly there were!


He didn't get the job.
No reason to bother references until they are ready to make an offer. Over the years, I've been a reference for countless people and I don't want my phone ringing several times a week for every job they apply for as some sort of office busy work pre-screening. Someone who abuses me as a reference that I get a call every time they apply for something, I won't be a reference for them any longer. So it is good professional advise not to simply disclose references to anyone who asks for them.
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Old 04-12-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Agreed. This isnít a public sector role either. I absolutely provide them for that and understand why. I think the recruitment agency here (Iím not working through the companyís HR) has this on their ďto doĒ list - however, theyíve already arranged my plane ticket and hotel for the interview. Feels like theyíre back stepping now going hurry, we need your references! Hurry!

Iím going to email with two professional ones, and say the final one from a former manager is available after the company offers me the role (And if I decide to accept). I donít want to waste the time of anyone involved on my end - until itís something Iím absolutely interested in.
I wouldn't give this to them. There is no need for it, other than their own selfish reasons to get more headhunting work. Go directly to the company website for the place you are going to interview. See if your job or one like it is listed there. Go through the steps to apply for it, it would be very interesting to see if it requires references that must be a former manager in order to apply for a job there.

If you are going through with this, take your references with you and be prepared to hand them to HR and/or the hiring manager if they request it and you really want to work there.
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Old 04-12-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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Agreed. This isnít a public sector role either. I absolutely provide them for that and understand why. I think the recruitment agency here (Iím not working through the companyís HR) has this on their ďto doĒ list - however, theyíve already arranged my plane ticket and hotel for the interview. Feels like theyíre back stepping now going hurry, we need your references! Hurry!

Iím going to email with two professional ones, and say the final one from a former manager is available after the company offers me the role (And if I decide to accept). I donít want to waste the time of anyone involved on my end - until itís something Iím absolutely interested in.
I wouldn't even go that far unless you're desperate. I'd simply say that I have them available and that I'd only furnish them if we're to the point that the offer is contingent upon a positive reference check.
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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Government employers often require this. I've never had one check my references before the interview that I knew about it. It's a totally different situation than some headhunting group demanding references before I interview for some lousy W-2 gig.
Oh mercy, I was told they'd call all my references and I was sitting in the cube farm when they called one of my co-workers. We ALL heard Larry give me a glowing review. Everyone was mad at him for it (except me!) LOL
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Old 04-12-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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I don't trust third party recruiters with references. they will be calling them trying to sell their services to them.

I only give references to government or after an interview if I've made the shortlist.
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Old 04-13-2019, 08:35 AM
 
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Yes, I have had this happen, and I did give the manager's reference, but only the manager's email, not his/her phone #. That way, you can let the reference know. You can tell the recruiter that the reference does not wish to be contacted via phone.

If the headhunter insists on phone # (i know some do), then give them one of the references from that job that you know personally. This way both your side and the headhunter's side are covered, and will be good to go by the time you get the last round of interview done.

If they really really want your previous manager's reference/feedback, they will reach out via the email you gave.
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