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Old 04-20-2019, 06:40 PM
 
Location: SNA=>PDX 2013
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Being in recruiting this sort of thing just happened to us and although we figured it out, the new hire was happy, the hiring manager/assistant was peeved because she felt the new hire didn't say anything at the interview (not a good impression) and that the recruiter didn't relay the info. The recruiter stated she was never told. So fingers are pointing away. Knowing that....here's my two cents.

Bring it up during the offer.

Maybe say something like this if speaking to a recruiter, "I verbally accept your offer. I know the start date is June 3rd and I wanted to inform you that I have a planned vacation for June 17-24. I realize I may not be paid any vacation time, but I wanted to make sure that isn't going to be a problem with the hiring manager nor will it interrupt my training too much." See what they say, then you can add in, "I'd like to be proactive about this, so would it be possible to have the HM contact me prior to my start date to discuss my time off, how it will affect my training, if there's anything I can do to ensure my training isn't affected too much, etc?".

If it's a HM making the offer, just address them directly. If it was the recruiter and you don't hear from a HM prior to your start date, be proactive and reach out a week before your start date (they could be waiting for your bg check and stuff to clear before calling you to discuss).

 
Old 04-20-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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If you get an offer OP, ask if you can attend training via Skype for Business or any other remote meeting share service.

If they agree, attend the sessions remotely, the full day.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Isn't that implied by the fact that the employer made clear the start date prior to making an offer and the candidate continued to interview? If I say we are hiring a new class and training starts May 1st, then I expect you to speak up if that is going to be a conflict.
^ Agree.

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I get businesses exist to make money, but morale and respect for employees is extremely important as well.
I think respect goes both ways. If I were an employer and I have told you the start date and you know you have a vacation plan that coincides with working--please speak up, don't waste my time.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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If you get an offer OP, ask if you can attend training via Skype for Business or any other remote meeting share service.

If they agree, attend the sessions remotely, the full day.
Why bother to go on vacation then, if the OP is going to work through it anyway? May as well stay home and not get dinged for being "the guy who went on vacation during training"
 
Old 04-21-2019, 05:45 PM
 
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Why bother to go on vacation then, if the OP is going to work through it anyway? May as well stay home and not get dinged for being "the guy who went on vacation during training"

I am implying paid as regular hours worked while attending training via Skype.

If they have a hard start date, hard training date, and OP gets an offer this may allow them to keep the offer.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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I am implying paid as regular hours worked while attending training via Skype.

If they have a hard start date, hard training date, and OP gets an offer this may allow them to keep the offer.
Unless the training is already being offered remotely to others, OP will still be the person who went on vacation. And that's even assuming it's training that could be done remotely and doesn't require hands on work, distribution of materials to work in that aren't given in advance, etc.

Canceling the vacation would also allow OP to keep the offer, if it's the job they really want and that's what it takes. Assuming they get an offer, of course.

And as I've posted up thread, I absolutely believe that for a typical position, an employer who won't accommodate an already scheduled vacation when an offer is made is not a good employer to work for. But this is clearly not a typical situation if it's a 6 month training class that is only offered once a year.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Bellevue WA
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I agree. The time to discuss it is when the offer is extended. I don't think during the interview process would be the time to discuss it in any case.
Look how problematic that has become. This thread should be a cautionary tale to everyone. If you're job searching, keep your calendar free. Have nothing hanging in the balance. Upcoming vacations and a new job and/or training do not mix.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 01:00 AM
 
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It is very apparent, a lot of people on this thread, have no idea of having a required training class on just an occasional time frame. You train a group to do the job, and until they are trained, they are useless to you.

If they want to be gone the second and third week, they are of no value to you, so you will hire someone else for the position that can complete the training.

It is not the employers fault that they will not keep the job open for the employee, that cannot/will not take the entire training course because they prefer to take a 2 week vacation over being trained and having a job.

And taking those two weeks training via Skype, is not acceptable.
 
Old 04-23-2019, 09:51 PM
 
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Being in recruiting this sort of thing just happened to us and although we figured it out, the new hire was happy, the hiring manager/assistant was peeved because she felt the new hire didn't say anything at the interview (not a good impression) and that the recruiter didn't relay the info. The recruiter stated she was never told. So fingers are pointing away. Knowing that....here's my two cents.

Bring it up during the offer.

Maybe say something like this if speaking to a recruiter, "I verbally accept your offer. I know the start date is June 3rd and I wanted to inform you that I have a planned vacation for June 17-24. I realize I may not be paid any vacation time, but I wanted to make sure that isn't going to be a problem with the hiring manager nor will it interrupt my training too much." See what they say, then you can add in, "I'd like to be proactive about this, so would it be possible to have the HM contact me prior to my start date to discuss my time off, how it will affect my training, if there's anything I can do to ensure my training isn't affected too much, etc?".

If it's a HM making the offer, just address them directly. If it was the recruiter and you don't hear from a HM prior to your start date, be proactive and reach out a week before your start date (they could be waiting for your bg check and stuff to clear before calling you to discuss).

Thank you for this. I may tweek this a little bit. I think it will most likely be the HM making the offer.

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Old 04-24-2019, 04:53 AM
 
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Thank you for this. I may tweek this a little bit. I think it will most likely be the HM making the offer.
You contact them before they made a real offer and tell them any version of this about your vacation, don't be surprised to get a form e-mail shortly after that they decided to go with another candidate. Because as they drag out this hiring process for months, they are looking to eliminate people from the list. Management is about solving problems. If training is six months, you can miss two weeks without a problem. People here are inventing ways for people to put their lives on hold at the promise of a job without any real offer, which is insane. They asked you about a June 3rd start date, sure you can do that. If they really cared about your vacation they would have asked you directly about it. No one can be expected to be there for six months without missing any days at all. If the management there is good, they won't have an issue with a vacation when the real offer comes in. If they won't hire you because of it, you should look for some place else to work because it is unreasonable to expect people to put their life on-hold for months like that.

I've hired people who had vacations within the first month they were there. We simply handled it and it was discussed when we made an offer. It would be rude and presumptuous as an employer to expect all the candidates to clear their calendar for a job they might not get that started months away that they won't take any time off for six months after that. We would never do that to anyone. So don't do this to yourself.
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