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Old 04-28-2019, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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Wrong. Many of them just need a job. You would deny them one? Why? One of the problems in this country is all our contradictory messages and stigma (a big one being the one against mental illness) that prevent people from bettering themselves through their own efforts.
This is not true. I have had jobs that put me in direct contact with the 'street people'. The bulk of them do not want jobs. They are 'homeless' because they choose to be. They have no desire to accept the responsibilities of working to support themselves and maintaining a domicile, paying taxes, etc. Despite all of the assistance that is offered and available to them, they refuse to take advantage of it. Year after year they remain on the street and 'homeless', cadging meals from soup kitchens and freebies handed out by organizations such as the Pine Street Inn (Boston, MA)...which freebies they often simply discard or, worse, decorate the sidewalks, walls of buildings and interiors of bank vestibules/ATMs by throwing/smearing soup and sandwiches instead of eating them...and bumming money to buy booze and cigarettes.

They don't want to work, and they aren't going to work as long as they can keep getting what they want for free.
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:22 PM
Status: "The collective consience doesn't like detail" (J L Burke)" (set 6 days ago)
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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What is the probability that after these older workers, after working in a restaurant, that they're making nice money at Mcdonald's Corporate?

Almost nonexistent.

A former IT worker flips hamburgers for how many years before he gets a chance to work IT in Mcdonald's Corporate? Not happening.

Mcjobs are dead end jobs that pay squat. The experience they get at the restaurants is not counted by employers seeking to hire for actual non-dead-end-jobs.

Again, this is not different from what the status quo is - Older people have to take Mcjobs after being unable to secure employment due to age discrimination. All they're doing is taking advantage of a desperate demographic to staff their restaurants.

You can pat Mcdonald's on their head for bragging, but I don't see this as brag worthy.
And I can say from experience that a degree in logistics doesn't get you far at Amazon, once you're well into middle age.

It's called real life; the same rules apply everywhere, and no politician can change them.

Get used to it!!!

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Old 04-28-2019, 02:33 PM
Status: "Make Orwell fiction again" (set 29 days ago)
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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The reality is McDonald's wants workers who will show up at 5:00am and they can't find enough young people who are willing to work that shift so they are hoping old people are poor enough and dumb enough to accept the job.
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Part time work
No benefits
And no hope of moving up
They are taking advantage of seniors who lack enough retirement resources to provide stable income

Maybe people will be glad to get the job and benefit from the time they put in
But don’t think McDonald’s is doing this out of the good of its corporate heart

McDonald’s stores are often placed in areas where people have good income
So many teens won’t take part time work or might fail the drug test that retain/fast food places are forced to go to seniors

Also add that most seniors aged 65+ have Medicare, so McDonalds wouldn't have to provide even minimal health insurance. Would be nice if they offered dental + vision though.
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:48 PM
 
Location: North Carolina
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There's no tip-mooching at Mickey-D's (Thank God!) and if those comfortable upper-middle-class "consumers" want more needless personal attention, they can pay for it directly. The economy is already stretched to the breaking point, and the problem isn't responsible teenagers -- or responsible retirees; it's the burned-out druggies panhandling and relieving themselves in our streets. I agree that they could use a job -- with walls, bars, and guards as part of the deal.
It isn't really that difficult, tip mooching, or too much to expect (no "needless" personal attention) for the cashier to say a quick, simple "thank you" as they are is putting the last item on the tray and then "Can I help the next customer please?"

As to the second comment, which is really tangential to this thread, is that warehousing mentally fried people in jail isn't going to fix their problem. The US already jails a higher percentage of its population than any other country and yet we have all of this still going on, so it's obvious this "solution" hasn't been effective in solving the problem with undesirable activities you speak of. They are basically stuck in a vicious cycle of going to jail, getting out, & immediately doing the same thing over and over again without any treatment or accountability. To tie back to this thread, people behaving in this manner (usually from a combination of bad upbringing, bad luck, & bad choices) do need to do something productive somewhere, but sitting in jail, getting out, being a nuisance, getting put back in jail, and the cycle repeating and repeating isn't going to get them there. Taxpayers aren't getting a good value out of their money by repeatedly, temporarily warehousing people who are a nuisance and have resisted having any responsibility but are probably not hardcore dangerous where they need to be locked up indefinitely.

Honestly, especially since we know the extreme failure the action in your last sentence is, I'm having a hard time following the logic of any of your comments here.

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Old 04-28-2019, 03:49 PM
Status: "The collective consience doesn't like detail" (J L Burke)" (set 6 days ago)
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Honestly, especially since we know the extreme failure the action in your last sentence is, I'm having a hard time following the logic of any of your comments here.
Then what are we to do with a large (and growing) contingent of failures whose biggest mistake was expecting too much, but are easy prey for the real hatemongers?

Supporting their behavior is an insult to everyone who is struggling to play by the rules in an over-structured "Korporate" setting with little hope of real advancement.

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Old 04-28-2019, 04:06 PM
 
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So after older workers lose their real jobs due to age discrimination, McDonald's says they only deserve Mcjobs.

Nice.

How is this different from the status quo?
I think it simply disputes that older people cannot get jobs...
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Old 04-28-2019, 04:52 PM
 
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What is the probability that after these older workers, after working in a restaurant, that they're making nice money at Mcdonald's Corporate?

Almost nonexistent.

A former IT worker flips hamburgers for how many years before he gets a chance to work IT in Mcdonald's Corporate? Not happening.

Mcjobs are dead end jobs that pay squat. The experience they get at the restaurants is not counted by employers seeking to hire for actual non-dead-end-jobs.

Again, this is not different from what the status quo is - Older people have to take Mcjobs after being unable to secure employment due to age discrimination. All they're doing is taking advantage of a desperate demographic to staff their restaurants.

You can pat Mcdonald's on their head for bragging, but I don't see this as brag worthy.
If they’re targeting over 65s, how many would be willing to relocate to corporate?

I do agree it’s not brag worthy, but you make it seem like McDonald’s owes the population something. They don’t. Their restaurant jobs are unskilled or minimally-skilled and will pay that way. Unless of course they can’t continue to fill them at which time the pay will go up. I’m already seeing over $10 an hour advertised.
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Old 04-28-2019, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I think it simply disputes that older people cannot get jobs...
Yeah, there's always openings over at the Soylent factory. Anyone know why?
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Old 04-28-2019, 05:52 PM
Status: "The collective consience doesn't like detail" (J L Burke)" (set 6 days ago)
 
Location: Nescopeck, Penna. (birthplace)
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Yeah, there's always openings over at the Soylent factory. Anyone know why?
Maybe if a few of the more-juvenile posters refrained from citing scenes from Soylent Green or Fahrenheit 451, I'd take their spew a bit more seriously.

High-paying full-time jobs have always been the province of the high-demand, full-time-plus "breadwinner" in the prime of life; the rest of us make do with various sources of income at various stages of our lives and careers. McDonald's strategy merely represents an attempt to establish a new "niche" in an increasingly-complex labor market; nothing less and nothing more.

Combined with Social Security, and possibly a pension, an extra $3-400 per week can pay for some of the finer things in life.

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