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Old 04-27-2019, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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I was just reading about the Chinese High Tech workers, where it's not unusual at all to be working 9am-9pn, 6 days a week and no overtime paid. That was the U.S. over a 100 years ago, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. And what, pray tell, would you do on that one day off?
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Old 04-27-2019, 06:22 AM
 
Location: Outside US
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I was just reading about the Chinese High Tech workers, where it's not unusual at all to be working 9am-9pn, 6 days a week and no overtime paid. That was the U.S. over a 100 years ago, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. And what, pray tell, would you do on that one day off?
I work with Chinese from China (but I don't work and live in China).

They've been talking about Jack Ma's recent statements and I've been asking them questions.

No one agrees with him, and I don't either.

If someone works 996,

how do they relieve stress, be with family, start a family, try to get healthy?

Who benefits? Only the corporation.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:28 AM
 
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That's a schedule that kill you. But some fields are like that (IT startups, banking, medicine, law, etc.). If you want to be part of them, you have to play the game.

I had a schedule like that (it was actually worse 12/12/8) for seven years. It wasn't "officially" imposed by the company. But it was an unofficial rule. Everyone who wanted to get ahead knew they had to do it. I just resigned myself to having no life until I'd attained my career goal. On my days off, all I did was sleep.

All of us who became successful were able to do it until we were 30 years old. Suddenly at 30, what had been a pain in the a** simply became impossible. Our bodies could no longer cope. This was routine in the industry. At that time all of us were promoted to positions with regular hours.

I don't see how anyone can survive with a 9/9/6 schedule into middle age.
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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Unpaid overtime = corporate welfare.

Didn't Jack Ma talk about all corporations going to the 3 day workweek? He clearly doesn't believe what he is saying.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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That's a schedule that kill you. But some fields are like that (IT startups, banking, medicine, law, etc.). If you want to be part of them, you have to play the game.

I had a schedule like that (it was actually worse 12/12/8) for seven years. It wasn't "officially" imposed by the company. But it was an unofficial rule. Everyone who wanted to get ahead knew they had to do it. I just resigned myself to having no life until I'd attained my career goal. On my days off, all I did was sleep.

All of us who became successful were able to do it until we were 30 years old. Suddenly at 30, what had been a pain in the a** simply became impossible. Our bodies could no longer cope. This was routine in the industry. At that time all of us were promoted to positions with regular hours.

I don't see how anyone can survive with a 9/9/6 schedule into middle age.
As I understand it, 996 is 9am-9pm, 6 days a week. 12/12/8 would be noon-midnight (maybe midnight-noon?) 8 days a week.

Obviously we are using different nomenclature here.
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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I was just reading about the Chinese High Tech workers, where it's not unusual at all to be working 9am-9pn, 6 days a week and no overtime paid. That was the U.S. over a 100 years ago, 12 hours a day, 6 days a week. And what, pray tell, would you do on that one day off?
On any day that you got off, or even a few hours off, you slept. You had to be as rested and as sharp as possible when you got back to the grind. Analysis, coding, documentation, or support, you had to be with it so you could keep up with your work and talk to clients, coworkers, and management rationally. Any time you were able to go home, you crashed and rested as much as you could.
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Mars City
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I'd verify that information before proceeding any further. All we have here is "I was just reading about..." with no source and no references.
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Old 04-27-2019, 02:49 PM
 
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All we have here is "I was just reading about..." with no source and no references.
You just described 90% of these forums.

Whatever someone reads online that supports their preconceived notions is what they will choose to believe as a source, regardless of those annoying facts.
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Old 04-27-2019, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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You just described 90% of these forums.

Whatever someone reads online that supports their preconceived notions is what they will choose to believe as a source, regardless of those annoying facts.
Sad but true. Most people have a conclusion then search for something to support it, discarding anything contrary. Exactly the opposite of what should be done when trying to determine the truth.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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Labor protection law is very weak in China.

Jack Ma pays a living wage, but the schedule is crazy. Not every employer in China is that ruthless, but they don't pay a decent wage.

China is a dystopia is every way.
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