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Old 04-30-2019, 10:31 AM
 
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So you did not work for any clients or customers?



But you just said you did not work for someone else. You just contradicted yourself in the span of seconds.

Deceptive language is not a good thing.

Employees work for one boss.
Consultants work for multiple bosses - each client or customer is their boss.
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:19 AM
 
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Preface: It is easier to get a title change to a title that already exists.

In today's world, any title with the word "coordinator" or "administrator" smacks of meaningless title inflation. The glaring exception being database administrators, who are paid handsomely, for the most part.

Pick a title that you'd like (preferably that avoids the above two words) that is in your same org, can be on a different team / project. That, in my opinion, has the highest chance of passing snuff with HR.
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Old 04-30-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Mars City
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Titles have now become meaningless to me. With the last few jobs in my current crappy area, they've given me pathetic titles that have no bearing on my true abilities and status. I play along, but know there's a mismatch. I've seen what they can be reduced to.

It's all a game of theatrics if you put too much religion into titles.

Titles don't make the person; the person is who he/she is regardless of label.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:01 PM
 
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Titles have now become meaningless to me. With the last few jobs in my current crappy area, they've given me pathetic titles that have no bearing on my true abilities and status. I play along, but know there's a mismatch. I've seen what they can be reduced to.

It's all a game of theatrics if you put too much religion into titles.

Titles don't make the person; the person is who he/she is regardless of label.
Titles help you make it through an automated resume filter. The rest is up to the employee.

That being said, the latter doesn't matter if no one calls you back. It does in fact take both and a shortfall in one area will negate the most valiant effort in the other.

Example: You are NOT a director unless you are a manager of managers. Plain and simple. If your title is "director of <insert intangible or inanimate object here>" I'm going to need to see an org chart.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:01 PM
 
Location: SNA=>PDX 2013
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Preface: It is easier to get a title change to a title that already exists.

In today's world, any title with the word "coordinator" or "administrator" smacks of meaningless title inflation. The glaring exception being database administrators, who are paid handsomely, for the most part.

Pick a title that you'd like (preferably that avoids the above two words) that is in your same org, can be on a different team / project. That, in my opinion, has the highest chance of passing snuff with HR.
I hear ya. This is where it sucks. The only two titles I can use that already exists are HR Analyst and BI Data Analyst. I can't be either because I don't fall under either job descriptions. Unfortunately, my workplace likes to create very specific JD's. We have 3 HR Analysts, only one falls under the actual title because they created it off her job. The other 2 are, more or less, compensation analysts. Hence why I'd have to create a new one.

I do know my boss asked me to write up my JD because she realized she doesn't have one. Maybe that'll be a good time to point out that I don't do much coordinator stuff according to the coordinator JD.

Meant to ask, so what do you call someone who administrates the ATS?
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:27 PM
 
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I hear ya. This is where it sucks. The only two titles I can use that already exists are HR Analyst and BI Data Analyst. I can't be either because I don't fall under either job descriptions. Unfortunately, my workplace likes to create very specific JD's. We have 3 HR Analysts, only one falls under the actual title because they created it off her job. The other 2 are, more or less, compensation analysts. Hence why I'd have to create a new one.

I do know my boss asked me to write up my JD because she realized she doesn't have one. Maybe that'll be a good time to point out that I don't do much coordinator stuff according to the coordinator JD.

Meant to ask, so what do you call someone who administrates the ATS?
Why don't you copy the job description from BI Data Analyst...

Sounds like a smaller company with only 3 in HR (My company has literally hundreds of "HR Business Partners") I think you are being limited by the size of the company.

Some names in larger companies I've seen are "Talent Acquisition Manager" (AT&T, Level 2 management employee, VERY NICELY compensated) Equivalent title for their direct report was Talent Acquisition Specialist.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:31 PM
 
Location: southern california
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You can’t pay the rent with a title but you can get an employee to do 3 jobs and pay him for one with an inflated title
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:36 PM
 
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You canít pay the rent with a title but you can get an employee to do 3 jobs and pay him for one with an inflated title
Someone turn this into a plaque.
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Old 04-30-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Titles help you make it through an automated resume filter. The rest is up to the employee.
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Titles are something that don't much matter to me personally, but at the same time they are very important to HR resume keyword searches.

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...Example: You are NOT a director unless you are a manager of managers. Plain and simple. If your title is "director of <insert intangible or inanimate object here>" I'm going to need to see an org chart.
You'd really get confused by our org chart then. We do have directors who as you said manage groups. But we also have directors who are very senior staff, senior to directors of the first type, yet who don't actually supervise or manage anyone.
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Old 04-30-2019, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Mars City
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Titles help you make it through an automated resume filter. The rest is up to the employee.
As I said, I play the game. And that includes putting the exact damn title on the resume that is in the job posting / description. So I have no problems getting my resumes through the computers and automated crap we have to contend with. But none of that still elevates anyone, or ultimately means anything. It's just more Simon Says, and Follow the Leader childhood behavior. Few are awake and getting beyond the farce that job titles tend to be, and are regarded.
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