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Old 05-02-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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I think its pretty equal, but people tend to be much more crude and blunt in blue collar environments. Usually blue collar workers are pretty down to earth and more humble. White collar workers are more likely to be arrogant because of their job titles.
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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It seems that way with jobs I've worked in factory and warehouse environment so far, that there has always got to be at least one person though who bullies everyone around, even threatening in ways... Especially when I was in mining, that was really bad for that.

I talked about it with my friends and they said it's because in those jobs, a lot of people with criminal background work in those jobs, and even ex-cons sometimes, trying to make a living, so those kinds of jobs, are more likely going to have more ill-tempered people working there, who may have a more fascist mind, hence, why they probably have committed crimes in the first place, out of some sort of moral superiority complex.

But do you think that's true though, that jobs that are more likely to not hire ex-cons and people with records, would be a more friendly environment to work in?
I work in a Hospital in the Facilities Department. About as Blue collar as you can get. We work on Boilers, Chillers, High pressure steam, repair anything at the Hospital. We don't have any ex cons working here. About the only time any of these guys saw the inside of a jail cell would have been for a DUI I would guess and only one of the 20+ guys I know in the department was locked up for that. It was a work release thing, so he still went to work. Not a lot of bullying going on that I have ever seen. Then again we are all men and I would think know how to handle our selves. We are all professionals in our fields of choice.

Out of everyone only two of us has a degree of any kind. I have several degrees.

Blue collar is the way to go in these days. A lot of times the training is done on the job or thru an apprenticeship program. A lot cheaper then going to college and getting a degree. Incomes are not too bad either. We start our assistants out at $22 an hour. Pay range goes up to about $50 an hour.
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Old 05-02-2019, 05:39 PM
 
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ironpony - question: are you currently being bullied on-the-job?

From my own experience, 15 years ago, when I worked at the hospital, I did report this person to Human Resources. They did absolutely nothing...and I don't believe they set any boundaries with this bully or told her to just 'stop'. She was actually good friends with one of the Human Resources specialists. - they went outside to smoke together every day. The only thing that eventually happened - two years later - was we all had to go individually to the Employee Assistance Counselor. In our private sessions, each of us was told to 'stop gossiping' and that was all that was done. Of course, the bully's behavior never changed even after counseling. She continued her behavior exactly as she had done before. Immediately after our individual counseling sessions, the counselor had a meeting with me and the bully. We were told be professional at work. I was professional all the time, the bully was not. She acted out constantly and I won't even go into all the acting out she did while she was at work. Nothing was done there, either. I think the counselor had this meeting to pacify management in some way. I didn't really understand it. This meeting between the 3 of us seemed like it was just for show to make management think something was being done. Ha! this dynamic is next to impossible to stop unless they fire the bully. Often, they will not do that. The bully is a very experienced manipulator and somehow they always get around management and go on their merry, bullying way.

The bully would leave our department every day and go around to visit all the managers at the hospital. Our supervisor was often at meetings most of the day, so unless one of the other employees told the supervisor how the bully was always gone during the day, the supervisor did not know what the bully was up to when she was in meetings all day. In fact, the bully schmoozed our supervisor, and thought the bully was a WONDERFUL person. The bully told the supervisor everything she wanted to hear. The bully was schmoozing with the hospital management team, building up her chances for a transfer to a better job. Today, she is still at the hospital, and is in the information technology department, making a high salary...proably 2-3 times what she was making when she first began working at the hospital. So, she has never had to be held accountable for her behavior in any way. The reason I know this is because the other employees would make comments about how busy it had been on a particular day. They commented how the bully just left them there, swamped with work, and they were not at all happy about her lack of team work. The bully was the same level employee as the rest of us. She wasn't our manager, she was a rank and file employee.

By the way, I had been going periodically to the Employee Assistance Counselor privately for at least 2-3 years. He had been helping me deal with the stress of what was going on. He told me: "Emily, you are very different from these people at the hospital. You don't belong with these people." He never told me to quit my job at the hospital. Ha! there were probably so many people coming to him for counseling, he'd need to tell 1/2 the hospital to quit their job. Some counselors might have told me that....like my current trauma therapist, who never hesitates to help me learn to protect myself from toxic people, which means to leave the situation as soon as possible. We are the only one who can 'control' out situation. We do not control it by confronting the bully. We can, however, learn to set boundaries with the bully, in a professional way. Always remain professional!! Do not stoop to their level. DO NOT EVER RETALIATE AGAINST A BULLY. Always document what happens between you and the bully. Keep copies of your documentation. You can also give copies of your documentation to your supervisor and to Human Resrouces. Use the Observe Don't Absorb technique. Leave the disciplining to management. But be prepared: just because we set boundaries - such as: "Please stop talking to me like that. We need to be professionals here. We all need to be team players." Be prepared for the bully's response: they will just continue on with their toxic behavior. Then we need to learn to manage our response and remain professional at work. It is not easy to do!! The town this took place in - Estes Park, CO - is a very small town of around 6-7,000 people. The hospital could not afford to lose employees.

This experience with bullying at the hospital changed me in a very profound way...and not in a good way. I am a different person now....I am much more sensitive and have a lot of fear and anxiety. Since I've always been a highly sensitive person, I have never been able to just brush off their behavior. Once in a great while, maybe, yes. I just cannot seem to master how to deal with them in a non-personalized way. It is always upsetting to me when I meet a bully. I'm just too sensitive and I guess that will never change. I think the bully lied to Human Resources about me, and made me seem to have more to do with the problem than I actually did. She was an expert at executing smear campaigns, as I found when she turned almost every one of my hospital friends and co-workers against me, due to her smears of me. I have no idea how bullies are able to accomplish this, but there is much written about it on the internet by experts. It makes no sense, yet it has a life of its own.
Yeah it seems that in all three factory jobs I've had so far, the bullying has been in all three, as there is always at least one person who has to ruin things for me and others. But I guess I should just report it. Or should I document more than one incident before I do and make a list first?
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Old 05-06-2019, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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Yeah it seems that in all three factory jobs I've had so far, the bullying has been in all three, as there is always at least one person who has to ruin things for me and others. But I guess I should just report it. Or should I document more than one incident before I do and make a list first?
What are they doing that you consider bullying?
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Old 05-09-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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Oh well it can be a number of things from the jobs throughout the years. In the recent one now, which is what made me ask, cause it happens in factory jobs I've noticed, a co-worker just kept looking at extremely intensely, all day, and then he finally came over and said "you're f$%^ed", and then walked away.

Things like this makes me wonder, if the bosses in these jobs have any standards, and where do they find these people.
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:08 AM
 
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Bullying happens in every level at work and everywhere. It happens in the middle and upper management too.

In the blue collar jobs, the bullies mostly damaged the victims physically first and then it affects the victims mentally.

In the white collar jobs, the bullies damaged the victims in the opposite way.
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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Agreed. It's kind of like "stabbed with a smile."
This phrase in bold reminds me about this company, there was a very beautiful manager, but eventually she showed how mean she was to the employees there. The employees said that "she has a face of angel and a heart of evil".
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:13 PM
 
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This one is pretty easy for me to answer since I spent part of my career as a blue collar worker and part of it as a white collar worker.

Hands down, the white collar workers are a million times worse when it comes to bullying behavior. The difference is that they are sneaky about it and it takes the form of back stabbing and dirty politics. Blue collar workers will generally confront you outright if they have an issue with you; white collar workers will gossip behind your back to everyone and engage in passive aggressive bulls_t behavior if they have an issue. It was far easier when I had a conflict back with another blue collar worker. We would argue for a few minutes, settle it, then be friends again by lunch and forget about it by the time we went home

I see it at my current company. I am one of 6 division HR managers; 2 of us sit in manufacturing locations and 4 of us sit in 'white collar' environments--we all got to pick where we sit. The two of us who sit in factory locations are FAR happier and have a much easier time when it comes to dealing with people. The environment is more relaxed even with the white collar salaried people in a shop environment. I've been to my corporate location and personally observed the bullying behavior and cattiness they engage in; I have no idea how they stand working in that environment. Yuck.
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Old 05-22-2019, 11:53 PM
 
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Oh okay, but isn't bullying worse when they confront you directly with it, rather than talk behind your back? I don't care what people think of me behind my back, near as much as having to them listen to them tell me in my face. So isn't that worse, having to be told it, rather than just talking behind your back?
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Old 05-23-2019, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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Oh okay, but isn't bullying worse when they confront you directly with it, rather than talk behind your back? I don't care what people think of me behind my back, near as much as having to them listen to them tell me in my face. So isn't that worse, having to be told it, rather than just talking behind your back?
Like Marie, I have worked blue and white collar, and I work in proximity to blue collar workers. She is exactly correct, and I think it is much worse in the office world because it is not limited to words.

A person on the factory floor might tell you to your face that you are f-d, and may do stupid things like hand you a tool and drop it before you get a grip, or put goo on your locker handle. But the harm is generally limited to intimidation, and the response is typically to stand up for yourself and call the other guy an a..

White collar bullying revolves around character assassination, where other managers will campaign against you to portray you as incompetent, try to assign blame to you to cover their mistakes, work to reduce your budget, paint you as discriminatory, etc. The end result can be a demotion or dismissal. The response is to carefully document everything via email, establish tedious written procedures, and create coalitions of allied managers who will cover for you.

I will take a good old fashioned simple in your face bully any day if the week.
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