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Old 04-30-2019, 03:11 PM
 
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I can't work there with my line of work. Only NYC.


There are plenty of jobs. The issue is that other people generally "know someone" or are willing to take less $$.


I am highly skilled and require a lot more $$ than most people.
Since you say you've been out of work for 2 1/2 years, maybe it's time to lower your expectations, salary-wise? Maybe you don't really need the money and/or have other means of support, in which case, I guess you can afford to be picky, but keep in mind the longer that resume-gap(mine is 1 1/2 years and counting),
the more likely employers are gonna think your skills are "rusty", and that's not a good thing.
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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Ok, I just posted about this, early this morning on a forum I hang out on. I'm going to state my controversial *opinion* about this(if it's ok with the mods). In fact, I'm just gonna cut`n'paste my post from that other forum to save time, and for the purposes of efficiency. Please read the entire short post, and digest it for a minute before responding. This was my original response to the article when I posted it:

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Ohhhh, the OUTRAGE! In the mean time, we have Hispanic employers posting jobs on Craigslist in Spanish, and Asian homeowners posting rooms for rent for college students in Chinese characters or Japanese, and even a major pizza-chain looking to hire college students as delivery drivers. Folks, grow up - discrimination is 100% normal and natural - I actually appreciate *honest* listings, because it saves BOTH parties time and effort. I don't get all butt-hurt when I see ads that obviously discriminate against me.
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Well, not only is it illegal, I hope you can see the HUUUUUGE difference between writing an ad in a language, and declaring which race you intend to hire. The civil rights acts was passed for a reason.
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"HUUUUUGE difference"? How about NO difference? When you post a job ad in ONLY Spanish, or a rental ad in ONLY Mandarin, or a job ad that starts with "Attention College Students"(with no bonafide requirements that applicants must be college students), you've effectively accomplished your intended discrimination, right from the git-go.
Thoughts?
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Old 04-30-2019, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I believe it was the 1970s when the UK passed strong anti-discrimination laws, which led to ads such as this: "Brickworkers wanted. Must be capable of carrying 60 pound loads and be willing to strip to the waist in hot weather."

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Old 05-01-2019, 01:10 AM
 
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You're right. The best candidate should always get the job. Discrimination should not be tolerated.
I imagine the primarily Asian applicants who are turned away from top tier colleges in favor of lower-qualified students of other racial minorities probably agree with you.
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Old 05-01-2019, 02:26 AM
 
Location: on the wind
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So wrong, but not quite what it seems.

The company has Indian-American owners and they employ 60% minorities. They claim they were trying to diversify their work pool.
TBH, if a company is determined to poke the AA gods in the eye with a stick you'd hope they would apply some subtlety. Delay it until a little farther along in the hiring process. Don't give anything away in the opening ad, lure 'em in, but push everyone through that racial sieve at the interview stage after meeting candidates in person. Then fall back on whatever weasel worded excuses they consider convenient to reject them.

Apologies...it's late. Sarcasm is now toggled off again...
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Old 05-01-2019, 04:57 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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I imagine the primarily Asian applicants who are turned away from top tier colleges in favor of lower-qualified students of other racial minorities probably agree with you.
This always makes liberals/progressives heads spin out of control.
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Old 05-01-2019, 05:48 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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I'm a libertarian. I don't think the govt should be telling private concerns how to run their own affairs. Everyone has the right to be stupid, although, granted, some people abuse the privilege.


Minority opportunity programs are reverse discrimination. Nobody should use differences in "the bell shaped curve" to make decisions about individuals. (Eg- Should Hank Greenberg or Sandy Koufax not been hired because most Jews aren't good ballplayers?)


The process of hiring is an exercise in predicting the future based on a relatively small, short exposure to the data-- inherently wide error bar. Sometimes less pertinent factors must enter the decision process.


An illustrative anecdote:


Two execs were enjoying cocktails at the bar one evening after work. The one says, "I had to hire a new secretary this week...tough decision. I narrowed down to three candidates who all had excellent references, presented themselves well and had equally good skills. I decided to present each with a question of ethics, asking them, if hired, what would you do if you were the last one to leave one night and found a 20 dollar bill on the floor? The first one said she'd put it in her purse and ask around the next morning who had lost it....The second said she'd put it in her desk drawer and ask about it next morning.. The third said she'd put it in my desk drawer and enquire about it in the AM."..."All good answers. Tough choice," said the other exec. "How did you make your choice?"..."Oh, that was easy-- I took the one with the big knockers."
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Old 05-01-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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The federal government has all sorts of programs for special interest groups such as women, veterans, minorities, etc. A bonus is if one is a woman minority veteran! Basically a self writing check for government dollars.

I know this because my father specializes in finding them business and writing up contract proposals.

Programs that had good intentions are being severely abused at taxpayer expense.
Well, you forget the part where they have to be actually qualified to do the work. The M/W/DBE programs allow these companies to compete and establish a work record, but it's not a self-writing check for government dollars. They are competing with others like themselves.

If not for those programs, small firms owned by minorities and women (and vets now is a big thing) would never have a chance, and the big, long-established firms would get all the contracts.
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Old 05-01-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Well, I see a lot of back and forth here about a company should do this, a company should do that, blah blah blah, and I'm guessing none of you posting these things actually owns your own company, do you? So while you're up there on your high horses thinking you know what's best for everyone, let me give you a different perspective on the subject.

This is America, and in my opinion, if you took all the risk and put up all the funds to start your own firm, you should be able to hire who you want, when you want, for any reason you want. That's not racism, that's not discrimination, that's called Freedom. A business owner, CEO, whomever, should have full freedom to hire who they deem will work best for the company, not for the general population.

It is in fact the company owners that are being discriminated against, by having to follow laws put in place by people who have no vested interest whatsoever in the success or failure of the company, and are forced to hire based on criteria that may or may not be in the best interest of the company's success.

You can disagree all you want, but until you have incorporated and run your own business for several years and gone through what most business owners go through (75% of which fail), you really don't have enough experience to formulate an opinion of any weight.

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Old 05-01-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: In a city within a state where politicians come to get their PHDs in Corruption
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I'm a libertarian. I don't think the govt should be telling private concerns how to run their own affairs. Everyone has the right to be stupid, although, granted, some people abuse the privilege.


Minority opportunity programs are reverse discrimination. Nobody should use differences in "the bell shaped curve" to make decisions about individuals. (Eg- Should Hank Greenberg or Sandy Koufax not been hired because most Jews aren't good ballplayers?)


The process of hiring is an exercise in predicting the future based on a relatively small, short exposure to the data-- inherently wide error bar. Sometimes less pertinent factors must enter the decision process.


An illustrative anecdote:


Two execs were enjoying cocktails at the bar one evening after work. The one says, "I had to hire a new secretary this week...tough decision. I narrowed down to three candidates who all had excellent references, presented themselves well and had equally good skills. I decided to present each with a question of ethics, asking them, if hired, what would you do if you were the last one to leave one night and found a 20 dollar bill on the floor? The first one said she'd put it in her purse and ask around the next morning who had lost it....The second said she'd put it in her desk drawer and ask about it next morning.. The third said she'd put it in my desk drawer and enquire about it in the AM."..."All good answers. Tough choice," said the other exec. "How did you make your choice?"..."Oh, that was easy-- I took the one with the big knockers."
And therein lies the problem. It's a logical fallacy to think we can end discrimination with another form of discrimination.

That isn't even the biggest problem of diversity programs. The biggest problem is they don't work..
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