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Old 05-06-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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Fine, there's always a better applicant.

Except when the same job is relisted several times. Even with a resume and experience that closely aligns with the list of job requirements, they don't call me. They just keep searching for... someone else with matching skills and experience. I must be silly to think my unavoidably long resume is any factor.
A job being listed doesnít necessarily mean thereís an actual opening. Sometimes recruiters at a company do that just to collect resumes and fluff up their metrics.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:10 PM
 
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You always see the working world through rose colored glasses. Why is that always the case?
Age discrimination is real. One of the reasons for age discrimination is that one failed to rise up through the ranks. Management knows that by the time a person gets to a certain age they don't buy the BS that compels them to work two or three hours a day past quitting time.

Did you ever think that some people just enjoy what they do and choose not to go over to the dark side?
There are some fields where you can be a seasoned individual contributor and where age and experience is seen positively.

There are also some people who keep their skills and network fresh and can find a position easily.

But then there are those who stayed in a company or position too long, who never aspired to grow their career, and who feel itís all on the employer to train them. These are the people who should be concerned.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:12 PM
 
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Nothing in this cheap saloon is substantiated.

It's discussion, not a courtroom. If a few dozen participants describe situations that quack just like age discrimination, the focus is not to try and disprove them all but to discuss what these observers are reporting. Your persistent one-sentence dismissals that there ain't no setch animal contribute... nothing.
For your own mental health while in your job search, is it better to maintain hope or to psych yourself out over your age? The fact remains that EVERYONE regardless of age experience the same things you mentioned.
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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How is it empty? While all forms of discrimination exist, I've yet to see (on CD ) a super strong candidate who had trouble finding employment because of age only. We are subjected to unsubstantiated anecdotal claims. Can we really parse out that the claimant truly was the best candidate?

Also, how is age being determined from a resume with unnecessary dates removed?
I didn't read through this entire thread so excuse me if someone else brought it up, but who doesn't put dates on a resume? Is that something new? I have always put dates on mine as I want employers to see how long I have been at a position/company. Wouldn't they find out the dates at some point before being hired anyway? As one who has hired employee's for several companies, I would be irritated if I received a resume without dates. Sorry, just never heard of this before!
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Old 05-06-2019, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Saint John, IN
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I know of a case, but it made logical sense. A person I knew had an engineering degree but became a firefighter. She got hurt on the job. Years later she got a masters as an rn. In her early 50s no one would hire her. She went to some of the least desirable hospitals for the worse shifts and couldnít get hired.
She told me her age was the problem. Whoever hired her would be utilizing current rns to train and watch over her. From the hospital point of view they didnít want to invest that time into someone who might retire in 10 years. They felt it was a better investment to hire a person with the same degree at age 25 who they could get 30 to 40 years out of.
I followed this because I had thought of going back to school to be an rn but I too would have had the same age problems. Glad I didnít waste years only to find I wouldnít have a job.
Maybe it was the location? My Aunt went back to school in late 40's and became an RN. Not only did she have no problem finding a good job, she had multiple offers. Lives in Wisconsin.
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Old 05-06-2019, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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For your own mental health while in your job search, is it better to maintain hope or to psych yourself out over your age? The fact remains that EVERYONE regardless of age experience the same things you mentioned.
I haven't read anyone here who is "psyched out over their age." It certainly hasn't stopped me from continuing my job search on the most productive bases I can muster.

But - Comcast just fished for staff with somewhat unusual qualifications combining technical writing for a public audience with some strong graphics, web management and other skills. It's a subset of my skills but I could tick every box with fully qualified experience.

The same day I got a (rare) email saying thanks but they were moving on, the job was relisted. Not a phone call. Not a followup. Not an interview. Yet on paper (metaphorically speaking), I was an excellent candidate for the position.

So maybe they connected my real name with some of the pseudonymous bitching about cable systems I've posted? Or maybe my too-tall resume got me tossed by meta processors... or a recruiter who has the traditional bias that only a young, fresh crowd can possibly do this kind of work? (Heavens, I might use a word that's been out of fashion for ten years...)

Repeat a couple of hundred times, and I should be psyched out about my age, or something. But I'm not.
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:58 PM
 
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For your own mental health while in your job search, is it better to maintain hope or to psych yourself out over your age? The fact remains that EVERYONE regardless of age experience the same things you mentioned.
Hope is not a strategy. Rather than rely on hope, it's better to understand the opponent and devise strategies that play to your strengths rather than to his. Acknowledging that something exists and countering it is better than pretending it doesn't. That's what people are asking for on here -- ideas, suggestions and alternatives that work in that environment.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:01 PM
 
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No double standard. I was making a point. If a woman or person of color speaks about potential discrimination, perhaps believe them.
You hear that WHOOSHING sound? That was my point flying over your head.

And if someone who is older speaks about potential discrimination, how about YOU believe them as knee-jerk as you believe the other people you believe?
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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I've seen dozens of unsubstantiated claims of age discrimination. How do we verify these claims without comparing the resume to the job posting?
And yet you never saw any unsubstantiated claims of anti-LGBT or anti-race discrimination.

You're not asking to verify the claims without comparing the resume to the job posting for those cases.

Double standard = corruption.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:22 PM
 
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So you know FOR SURE that your resume is the very best out of all submissions for EVERY SINGLE job you apply for? There's just no way at all that there are candidates that better align to the job?

Even in my company, for internal jobs I've gotten, the policy is that the job is posted over and over (yes, externally) until the final offer is finalized. So, seeing a repeated posting could have NOTHING to do with any applicant.
If Quietude was an LGBT black woman in transition, you would never question the discrimination.

But hey, double standards are still corruption.
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