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Old 05-04-2019, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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Not to get too political, but this is something to consider when you vote on policy stances in the future.

See, companies don't just pay your salaries, they also pay a large portion of your employee benefits (i.e. health insurance, LTD, STD, etc.). According to my recent research as someone working in the actuarial realm, it's somewhere at about 70% of the premium that your employer pays. You're not just more expensive because of your experience and skills, but you're also a greater liability to their insurance risk pool. I'm not saying that this is a major factor in hiring decisions, but it sure is a concern each year when they get their renewals or go out to bid from their carriers.

Keep that in mind the next time you're thinking about how you don't want the government meddling in your health affairs. Sorry to break it to you, but your employer is already doing exactly that, and they are indeed making hiring/retention decisions as a result of bigger risk pools and higher premiums that come along with hiring older workers.

Source: I work in employee benefits consulting from the actuarial/financial perspective. We talk to CEOs/CFOs for a living about this stuff.
I got lucky 45 years ago when I got into a field that is highly regulated, heavily licensed and where there is a severe shortage of qualified people to fill job vacancies. Now at 70 I still work full time but wouldn't have a problem getting a job just about anywhere I wanted to go because I can offer some pluses.

I hold NICET IV certification and it is common to run across specifications like this one at Wright Patterson Air Force Base and this one. The problem employers have is they can't be picky because there's only 1,200 Level IV's in the country and the median age is 61 years old so I'm really not that old after all. The youngest Level IV I can find is 39 so employers know they ain't gonna get no spring chickens and they know they will be lucky to get more than one qualified applicant. Good thing is they need us more than we need them.

I have Medicare and don't need/want any medical because whatever it is they offer can not beat what I got. I also have my own dental, vision and long term disability. There is nothing an employer could offer me that I don't already have.

I don't need vacation, holiday, sick or personal days the employer can keep all that. If work gets slow I am more than happy to take a few days, or even weeks, off until it picks up. If I am told I am not needed for a few days my feelings would not be hurt and I'd be smiling on the way out the door. I would love a job with two days off in the middle of the week but right now we are so loaded I gotta work full time.

I just got real lucky in picking this career field 45 years ago.
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Old 05-04-2019, 08:51 AM
 
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I'm not in any way saying there aren't reasons for my poor response rate. But I'm only looking for one job, at any reasonable compensation, across a very broad spectrum of roles. Nothing but evident age is keeping me from even being interviewed for many of these positions, especially those that are relisted repeatedly.
So you know FOR SURE that your resume is the very best out of all submissions for EVERY SINGLE job you apply for? There's just no way at all that there are candidates that better align to the job?

Even in my company, for internal jobs I've gotten, the policy is that the job is posted over and over (yes, externally) until the final offer is finalized. So, seeing a repeated posting could have NOTHING to do with any applicant.

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Old 05-04-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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Speak for yourself OP. That is certainly not the case in my line of work. I will say that people with a heavy resume arent getting paid what they should be but that is to be expected when you compare todays economy versus the unprecedented growth we experienced in the 90's.
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Old 05-04-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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So you know FOR SURE that your resume is the very best out of all submissions for EVERY SINGLE job you apply for? There's just no way at all that there are candidates that better align to the job?
Fine, there's always a better applicant.

Except when the same job is relisted several times. Even with a resume and experience that closely aligns with the list of job requirements, they don't call me. They just keep searching for... someone else with matching skills and experience. I must be silly to think my unavoidably long resume is any factor.
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:14 PM
 
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I have experienced all sides of this. I was always HIGHLY marketable and got jobs very easily until I hit about 45.Then it felt like I was hitting a lot of brick walls. On the other hand, my work is related to employment and if I were hiring, I would probably hire the younger, eager applicants rather than those who are older, more cynical, entitled with health issues to boot. Of course this sweeping description doesn't describe everyone but overall, it's a good generalization. (of course, I have also met tons of younger people who have their own sense of entitlement and issues as well)
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Old 05-04-2019, 07:06 PM
 
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Fine, there's always a better applicant.

Except when the same job is relisted several times. Even with a resume and experience that closely aligns with the list of job requirements, they don't call me. They just keep searching for... someone else with matching skills and experience. I must be silly to think my unavoidably long resume is any factor.
There could be a ton of reasons why the jobs are relisted. There are literally hundreds of resumes that align with the list of job requirements. Do you get that? Can they call all of them?

Gutsy? Take off personal info and post your resume. Get some opinions.
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Old 05-04-2019, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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There could be a ton of reasons why the jobs are relisted. There are literally hundreds of resumes that align with the list of job requirements. Do you get that? Can they call all of them?
It would seem easier and more productive to go through two or three rounds of selection from a given set of submissions than to toss 99% of them and start over, in the hopes of trolling in one candidate they somehow missed.

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Gutsy? Take off personal info and post your resume. Get some opinions.
I've had my resumes professionally reviewed, both by job specialists and peers. I also used to be a resume coach, a while back. I don't need streetcorner opinions.
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:51 PM
 
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Was it always like this? I remember starting out in my career and there were people of all age groups. Experience was respected and sought after, not something to disdain. Now you see a much better cross section along racial and gender lines in the workplace, but those over 40 are consistently being pushed out. It's especially difficult trying to find new employment. What's crazy is that a lot of the people making the hiring decisions are themselves over 40. Yet they still choose to opt for the younger, less experienced, and in most cases less trainable candidates. Those candidates either flame out or move on quickly, and the company is back out there looking to fill the position again. And once again they will go with the shiny object, rather than reliable knowledge and experience. This isn't because they don't want to pay more. The salary is the salary no matter who they hire in most cases. If you're younger and you're offended by my post, some of you should be offended and some shouldn't. You'll know which category you fall into.
Yes, it is crazy. Do you know the reason why? Because many of those over 40 who make the hiring decisions are insecure. They think when they hire the younger ones, they can control them easier. Not. Haha. And the insecure and stupid ones in the management never admit they are insecure and stupid. They only wake up when they get fired or let go. And many of them did - I saw.
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Old 05-05-2019, 07:05 AM
 
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Yes, it is crazy. Do you know the reason why? Because many of those over 40 who make the hiring decisions are insecure. They think when they hire the younger ones, they can control them easier. Not. Haha. And the insecure and stupid ones in the management never admit they are insecure and stupid. They only wake up when they get fired or let go. And many of them did - I saw.
I'll agree that many are insecure. But I'll give you an even simper reason: Most managers today simply have no clue what knowledge and skills they need in an employee. Having never done the job themselves, they don't know what the job needs.

I've been on many hiring panels and I am both stunned and amazed at the lack of knowledge shown by most managers about what it takes to do a job. Having actually done the job, I'll often be on the opposite end of the list when it comes to who to select.
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Old 05-05-2019, 07:34 AM
 
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I'll agree that many are insecure. But I'll give you an even simper reason: Most managers today simply have no clue what knowledge and skills they need in an employee. Having never done the job themselves, they don't know what the job needs.

I've been on many hiring panels and I am both stunned and amazed at the lack of knowledge shown by most managers about what it takes to do a job. Having actually done the job, I'll often be on the opposite end of the list when it comes to who to select.
From my observation and experience, I see that many of them care more about the ones who are social able with them, can bribe and flatter them to make them feel good and higher. They are afraid of the ones who have years of work experience and knowledge about their job and the workplace. They may feel they lose control over the experienced ones. That's the problem with the insecure managers. All they want is to micromanage, control and manipulate employees. It does not work well that way in many cases. They can cause lots of troubles for the company. Not all of them are that bad, of course. I know many good and smart managers.
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