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Old 05-06-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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Many white collar jobs are being outsourced as well. We just laid off an entire department because we are now going to pay an outside firm to do the work. No salaries to worry about; health insurance, retirement plans, etc.

Not only that - but bits and pieces of white collar work is being outsourced with the end result being . . . we need less workers.

A lot of companies have been stream-lining themselves for quite some time. The scenes from Office Space (1999) where "the two Bobs" get brought in as outside consultants to clean house, while funny, was a portend of the future.



You just don't need people pushing paper anymore. Heck, why have the mess of paper to begin with? Thousands of companies used to do paperwork for the sake of doing paperwork.
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:46 AM
 
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Automation is a concern, but it won't come as quickly as people think it will. I worked in tech, and sold tech to businesses, let me give you an alternate view on the matter.

Automation won't come around for a while because:

#1 Businesses can be incredibly slow to upgrade technologically. It's not uncommon for legitimate businesses to run window 2000 computers and have websites that look like they were built in the 90s. That is some basic level technology that has been around, but they haven't adopted it because change is difficult and technology seems complicated. These are going to be the people that decide to use next gen robotic technology? No, they panic when the most minor tech issue comes up and they've delayed any upgrades as long as they can.

#2 Cost. Everyone thinks that automation and robotics is going to be cheaper than a human, but they seem to only think about cost of machine. Which is usually very high as it is, but also includes maintenance contracts, set up costs, unexpected repairs, depreciation and lower efficiency over time. Yes you can get a burger flipping machine to take care of one task of a fast food worker, but it won't be cheaper or easier to deal with.

#3 Market choice. Personally I HATE dealing with any automated support. Having a live person to talk to makes my experience much better. Many people will feel that way towards businesses that automate everything (at least in the service industry). Those businesses will suffer.

The bigger issue, that isn't talked about as much as it should be, is more about outsourcing than automation. Half a billion Indians have yet to gain access to the internet. This is true with many parts of the world. Once they do that will spell real trouble for anyone whose job can be done remotely.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:55 PM
 
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Automation is a concern, but it won't come as quickly as people think it will. I worked in tech, and sold tech to businesses, let me give you an alternate view on the matter.
Automation WILL come far quicker than you expect because the executives' bonus checks will jump nicely when the layoffs are announced.

Of course, who cares that they're also out of work too, sociopaths are not good at long term thinking.
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Old 05-07-2019, 07:58 AM
 
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Many white collar jobs are being outsourced as well. We just laid off an entire department because we are now going to pay an outside firm to do the work. No salaries to worry about; health insurance, retirement plans, etc.

Not only that - but bits and pieces of white collar work is being outsourced with the end result being . . . we need less workers.
Not really. There are jobs at the outsourcing companies. When your company laid off an entire department, that outside firm hired about the same number of people to do the work. Outsourcing doesn't eliminate work; it allows each company to focus on what it wants to be its core competency.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:22 PM
 
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Not really. There are jobs at the outsourcing companies. When your company laid off an entire department, that outside firm hired about the same number of people to do the work. .
Not in reality. At many corps, employees are underutilized, and o/s firms can usually utilize them better, so fewer staff handle the volume.

Decades back, Hardees outsourced drive through staff at hundreds of spots. Camera takes drivers pic, sends it to staff making food, one of them comes to window to collect money and hand bag to you. Every 3 staff at o/s could handle 5 locations, previously staffed by 1 person per shift each. 40% Reduction In Force, net.
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