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Old 05-14-2019, 05:43 AM
 
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I can respond however I want to a post as well. If you don't like what I am saying, don't read my posts, and turn to something you like.

It is people's right to complain. It's also other people's right to call them out for only complaining.
Complaints without advise or ways to improve is negativity, and should be labeled as such. It is not unhelpful (and actually harmful) to helping people improve their situations at a job.
You just repeated what I said, and added your viewpoint that people should be labeled as complainers if they offer their comments without offering solutions. Think of what you are saying. There are other people reading these posts too.

"Complaining" is actually harmful to to helping people improve their situations? How can ordinary information be harmful? Again, there are other people reading these posts. Should we then impose censorship on this site that only allow posts that point out problems but that must have concrete solutions? Or must people be ridiculed and labeled "complainers" just because you don't like the way they post?

Ok, go ahead and keep calling people out for "complaining" just because they present information that you don't like.
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Old 05-14-2019, 05:57 AM
 
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You just repeated what I said, and added your viewpoint that people should be labeled as complainers if they offer their comments without offering solutions. Think of what you are saying. There are other people reading these posts too.

"Complaining" is actually harmful to to helping people improve their situations? How can ordinary information be harmful? Again, there are other people reading these posts. Should we then impose censorship on this site that only allow posts that point out problems but that must have concrete solutions? Or must people be ridiculed and labeled "complainers" just because you don't like the way they post?

Ok, go ahead and keep calling people out for "complaining" just because they present information that you don't like.
Read what I said. I said people should absolutely complain. It's their right. Don't be silly, talking about censorship.

I said we should call out people who do not offer solutions, or anything positive as negative people. Giving negatives about employment without trying to improve the situation is not helpful to anyone's job search. There's always something someone could do to personally improve or change their situations to make it easier for them to find jobs. Complaining without thinking about solutions does not help anyone's career.

Sure, it's their right to complain, but I'd prefer to help people so that they don't spend years or longer in jobs they dislike. As is often the case, we can agree to disagree.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:05 AM
 
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Read what I said. I said people should absolutely complain. It's their right. Don't be silly, talking about censorship.

I said we should call out people who do not offer solutions, or anything positive as negative people. Giving negatives about employment without trying to improve the situation is not helpful to anyone's job search. There's always something someone could do to personally improve or change their situations to make it easier for them to find jobs. Complaining without thinking about solutions does not help anyone's career.

Sure, it's their right to complain, but I'd prefer to help people so that they don't spend years or longer in jobs they dislike. As is often the case, we can agree to disagree.
Again, listen to what you are saying. Respecting people's viewpoints without calling them out or complaining about them is paramount to maintaining credibility. People should have the right to post their views without being bullied about them.
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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Again, listen to what you are saying. Respecting people's viewpoints without calling them out or complaining about them is paramount to maintaining credibility. People should have the right to post their views without being bullied about them.



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Old 05-14-2019, 09:58 AM
 
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Again, listen to what you are saying. Respecting people's viewpoints without calling them out or complaining about them is paramount to maintaining credibility. People should have the right to post their views without being bullied about them.
I hear what you're saying. I disagree. That someone disagrees with you does not mean you are being bullied. You'll notice I have repeatedly said people have the right to complain. I absolutely respect a person's right to hold whatever viewpoint they want. I do not need to respect the viewpoint itself, if I find it childish, or not helpful to the topic at hand. Please pay attention to the difference between respecting a person's right to have whatever viewpoint they want, and respecting the viewpoint itself.

So, to repeat myself, my opinion is that complaining without adding helpful or constructive feedback is not useful to a person's job search. Look, I understand why people come here complaining about jobs. Venting feels good. It just doesn't help anyone get a better job, and the last thing anyone needs to put up with is a job they hate for longer than they need to. Wouldn't you rather people focus on ways to get out of jobs they dislike?

We clearly disagree on this. That's fine. We can agree to disagree.
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Old 05-14-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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I hear what you're saying. I disagree. That someone disagrees with you does not mean you are being bullied. You'll notice I have repeatedly said people have the right to complain. I absolutely respect a person's right to hold whatever viewpoint they want. I do not need to respect the viewpoint itself, if I find it childish, or not helpful to the topic at hand. Please pay attention to the difference between respecting a person's right to have whatever viewpoint they want, and respecting the viewpoint itself.

So, to repeat myself, my opinion is that complaining without adding helpful or constructive feedback is not useful to a person's job search. Look, I understand why people come here complaining about jobs. Venting feels good. It just doesn't help anyone get a better job, and the last thing anyone needs to put up with is a job they hate for longer than they need to. Wouldn't you rather people focus on ways to get out of jobs they dislike?

We clearly disagree on this. That's fine. We can agree to disagree.
Yes, we disagree. I just don't like forcing my value systems on other people and feeling that a viewpoint (or complaint) is not good unless the poster attempts to offer constructive advice or attempts to solve the problem.

Yes, people should focus on solving problems and try to get out of jobs that they don't like. But they should also have the right to post whatever they want here, under the appropriate guidelines of City-Data, whether they propose a solution or not.

And yes, your viewpoint like everyone else's is valid. People are free to express themselves freely here (unless they are complaining, just kidding).
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:29 AM
 
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In theory, if you go through the screening agencies, which even the smallest companies seem to do these days, no diversity data is passed along except in aggregate. So checking, say, White Male on those forms should not affect their decision to call for an interview.

Of course, after that, and after you've signed BG check authorization, it's all downhill.
There are plenty of large companies that are not going through third-party screening or recruiting firms.
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Old 05-14-2019, 11:39 AM
 
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Yes, we disagree. I just don't like forcing my value systems on other people and feeling that a viewpoint (or complaint) is not good unless the poster attempts to offer constructive advice or attempts to solve the problem.

Yes, people should focus on solving problems and try to get out of jobs that they don't like. But they should also have the right to post whatever they want here, under the appropriate guidelines of City-Data, whether they propose a solution or not.

And yes, your viewpoint like everyone else's is valid. People are free to express themselves freely here (unless they are complaining, just kidding).
Of course they have the right to express an opinion. I've said that four times in this thread alone so far. People also have the right to not understand why someone would complain about a job, but not take steps (learn new skills, apply to new jobs, work on personality flaws, etc.) I've hit this wall with multiple people on this forum. Many, many people complain about their jobs, but don't do anything to change, which really doesn't make sense to me.

Giving an opinion and disagreeing with someone is not 'bullying' and is not 'forcing value systems'. All the best to you, I feel we're going to start talking in circles here.
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Old 05-14-2019, 12:05 PM
 
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There are plenty of large companies that are not going through third-party screening or recruiting firms.
But they're using software in-house to screen for keywords and filter out people who don't meet all the requirements, right? Or are you saying that all resumes go directly from the applicant to the hiring manager?
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Old 05-14-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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Yes, we disagree. I just don't like forcing my value systems on other people and feeling that a viewpoint (or complaint) is not good unless the poster attempts to offer constructive advice or attempts to solve the problem. .
Actually it is legitimate to complain about issues that are ruining the lives or careers of innocent people and destroying businesses. But it is not legitimate to complain about people who complain about these damaging issues. If we want to label someone as a "complainer" then it is the people who complain about people who did not cause the damaging problems. This reminds me of the tech (Facebook, twitter) censorship of people who complain about increased crime and other issues. I have to suspect that people who complain about those who complain about real issues, don't see the issues big, or even benefit from the status-quo, and want to keep these issues in place.

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There are plenty of large companies that are not going through third-party screening or recruiting firms.
They have internal recruiters too.

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But they're using software in-house to screen for keywords and filter out people who don't meet all the requirements, right? Or are you saying that all resumes go directly from the applicant to the hiring manager?
Not just software, but internal HR recruiters read resumes and decide to reject them based on mistaken false criteria.
HR should not screen for skillset, as they dont understand the skill set requirement for each profession. They mess with things they dont understand.

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