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Old 05-21-2019, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I explained that, and how to find out more.
I'm quite familiar with the systems. I've been told by experts in the field that I am invisible.

And not alone.

You're clearly on the side of "the analysis is unimpeachable." Noted.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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I'm quite familiar with the systems. I've been told by experts in the field that I am invisible.

And not alone.

You're clearly on the side of "the analysis is unimpeachable." Noted.


Apparently you aren't since you asked how you are counted. You seem thoroughly unfamiliar with the CPS and it's methodology and the fail safes instilled to prevent political tampering. You would and are not "invisible", so no, who ever told you such are not "experts" at all.


But I'm not here to argue, if you just want to vent, go right ahead.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Apparently you aren't since you asked how you are counted. You seem thoroughly unfamiliar with the CPS and it's methodology and the fail safes instilled to prevent political tampering. You would and are not "invisible", so no, who ever told you such are not "experts" at all.
Ah.

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But I'm not here to argue, if you just want to vent, go right ahead.
No venting here, but there is discussion of how the very smug, self-assured cadre steeped in the utter infallibility of government numbers and statistical interpretation can't address the growing evidence that those numbers, however precisely and carefully formulated, are at an increasing distance from other observable factors.

But you can run along now, having done your job.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:42 PM
 
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Nah, you're just venting. You don't agree with the numbers because you profess time and time again you don't understand what they are (which is an index calculated in a consistent manner), or how you are counted, and are upset that they don't align with what in your head says they should say. You also seem to continuously conflate what they indicate as an index with how you want them used, and how others use it, which are different issues entirely.


Continue your venting. Have fun.
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Nah, you're just venting. You don't agree with the numbers because you profess time and time again you don't understand what they are (which is an index calculated in a consistent manner), or how you are counted, and are upset that they don't align with what in your head says they should say. You also seem to continuously conflate what they indicate as an index with how you want them used, and how others use it, which are different issues entirely.
I get it. The system is so perfect and unimpeachable that you don't even need to defend it... but here you are, post after post.

The complete non-expert who ignorantly told my goshwoggled self that I am in a large invisible class of the unemployed was only the assistant head of the labor and employment agency of a very large state... so waddafack do we know?
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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There's an article in today's NY Times that's relevant to this thread.

The Economy Is Strong. So Why Do So Many Americans Still Feel at Risk?
The sunny job numbers and steady growth hide the fact that most people think the economy works only for people in power.

...
A big reason for this disconnect is that many Americans feel insecure. They may be doing well at the moment, but they fear that, however high they are on the economic ladder, a single bad step or bad event could cause them to slip. A booming economy hasn’t quieted these concerns, because insecurity remains a huge and growing problem in ways that voters and candidates instinctively get but the sunny job numbers largely hide.
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Even with unemployment at a 50-year low, the job market is failing to reach millions of potential workers. That’s because those who aren’t working or looking for work are left out of the unemployment statistics. And the number of such workers has been growing: When unemployment was last down near 3.5 percent, in 1969, virtually all men ages 25 to 54 were in the work force. Today, the proportion is below 90 percent, the result of a long-term decline in work force participation that has hit men most severely, but has recently affected women, too.

Other rich countries haven’t seen this troubling fall, in part because they have policies that help workers find jobs, keep their skills up-to-date and balance work and family. Unfortunately, the United States hasn’t done much on any of these fronts. It once nearly led the world in levels of work force participation; now it’s toward the back of the pack.

This reversal has had many bad effects. It’s reduced the incentive to bid up wages, which used to be seen as the inevitable consequence of tight labor markets. It’s also made unemployment less and less useful as a measure of job security.
...
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Old 05-21-2019, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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There's an article in today's NY Times that's relevant to this thread...
Double post. But glad someone else is paying attention...
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Old 05-21-2019, 02:05 PM
 
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There's an article in today's NY Times that's relevant to this thread.

The Economy Is Strong. So Why Do So Many Americans Still Feel at Risk?
The sunny job numbers and steady growth hide the fact that most people think the economy works only for people in power.

...
A big reason for this disconnect is that many Americans feel insecure. They may be doing well at the moment, but they fear that, however high they are on the economic ladder, a single bad step or bad event could cause them to slip. A booming economy hasnít quieted these concerns, because insecurity remains a huge and growing problem in ways that voters and candidates instinctively get but the sunny job numbers largely hide.
...
Even with unemployment at a 50-year low, the job market is failing to reach millions of potential workers. Thatís because those who arenít working or looking for work are left out of the unemployment statistics. And the number of such workers has been growing: When unemployment was last down near 3.5 percent, in 1969, virtually all men ages 25 to 54 were in the work force. Today, the proportion is below 90 percent, the result of a long-term decline in work force participation that has hit men most severely, but has recently affected women, too.

Other rich countries havenít seen this troubling fall, in part because they have policies that help workers find jobs, keep their skills up-to-date and balance work and family. Unfortunately, the United States hasnít done much on any of these fronts. It once nearly led the world in levels of work force participation; now itís toward the back of the pack.

This reversal has had many bad effects. Itís reduced the incentive to bid up wages, which used to be seen as the inevitable consequence of tight labor markets. Itís also made unemployment less and less useful as a measure of job security.
...
Good analysis.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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see? see? see? see? see?
Such a useless advice. Corporations carefully hide the identity of their managers for that reason. Most managers were at the company for 20+ years, so they dont even have a Linkedin profile, or have some vague one or out of network. Org charts are not posted on company websites. One of the responsibilities of IT and all employees is to protect the org charts from being "stolen" by hackers. The CEOs name is posted for promo purposes, but each department head and team managers identities are not.


Exactly. The purpose of human speech and language (and internet forums) is to resolve problems that hurt people. Resolution of problems start with bringing the problems to attention, and discussing why and how it is a damaging problem.
A skilled person c as n get the names.

Going only with applications and prying for your life for income through random HR and recruiter people will always leave a person stressed.

You always have to be active to get good income. Passive leads to **** oppertunities.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:24 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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A skilled person c as n get the names.
And inner managers and supervisors just LOVE being pestered by job hunters.
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