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Old 05-05-2019, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Maybe you do maybe you made so little it was easy to do.. so list those jobs and for who you worked and where.. Not todays job but previous jobs ...Everyone is RAMBO Behind a Key Board..
If I listed the jobs I've had and my comp, you'd either say I was lying or had been somebody's golfing buddy. I really don't care if you believe me. You can complain all you like and see how far that gets you in life. Or, you can try to actually move yourself ahead. Your choice. Whatever you do, I'll be doing more than OK
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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Agree. I know couple pharmacists and lawyers...
Anecdotes are not data.
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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The economy added a seasonally adjusted 263,000 jobs in April—the 103rd straight month of gains—and joblessness fell to 3.6%, the lowest level since December 1969, the Labor Department said Friday. The better hiring coincided with solid wage growth.



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The long jobs expansion is increasingly reaching Americans at the margins. Wage gains have strengthened in recent years, especially for workers earning the smallest paychecks, and unemployment has fallen for those who have historically struggled, including people with lower levels of education...

But a vexing challenge remains: Employers still struggle to pull workers off the sidelines to power a growing economy at a time when more baby boomers are poised to retire.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-hir...-6-11556886731
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I'm not sure what the point in including the quote from that article in the OP then.
Whoosh.
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Old 05-05-2019, 10:47 AM
 
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Bob, we aren't in a recession.
When did I ever SAY we are in a recession? Please show me the quote. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I said that a recession is AROUND THE CORNER (coming up soon) I never said it was here.


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There are awful employers. That fact also doesn't matter, and isn't worth mentioning.
But you always put the blame on the candidates. 100% of the time.

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How does complaining about an employer or the job market help you personally find a job, as opposed to improving yourself?
How does pretending the job market has zero problems help someone find a job or improving oneself?


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How often after you're rejected from a job do you go back through your notes from that company, your revisions for the resume you put together for that company, your networking list you developed for that job, and try to pinpoint what you could have done better?
If an employer rejected me because I had too much experience (i.e. too old) tell me what could I have done to avoid that?
If an employer rejected me because I'm overqualified (yet I made a great case for hiring me) - what could I have done to avoid that?

It doesn't matter how well I sell my self, doesn't matter how well I do my job, doesn't matter how awesome my portfolio is, there will be employers that will still reject me.

All I can do is do my best. If they don't want me, that's their loss.



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You're right. My first response when I am rejected from a job is to look at what I personally could do better.
Been there, done that. I've done everything to improve myself. I come into an interview with poise, confidence, dragon slaying stories, folder with awards, folders with work samples, a LI profile that has lots of recommendations from clients and former employers who say they love my work. I got an email address that's professional, my resume is ATS optimized, I've taken advice from career coaches and employment services. I don't stop, I continually seek to improve myself.

It IS possible to do everything right and STILL not get the job. You just don't understand that. You always put 100% of the blame on the candidate.
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Old 05-05-2019, 10:50 AM
 
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Anecdotes are not data.
They're data points.
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Old 05-05-2019, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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They're data points.
Even as OP and pretty much the lead critic of how the official numbers might be misrepresenting reality, we do have to draw a line between data and anecdote. That cuts to the core of the argument here: certain long-established data points to one thing, but widespread and largely anecdotal reporting points to something quite different. I don't dispute either - but I contend that the official numbers have drifted loose from their anchor to the ground-truth situation and are reporting, in detail and with great analytical accuracy, numbers that don't represent what's really going on.

But there's sure a metric buttload of anecdotes. Even at feather weight, they add up.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:44 AM
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Underemployed # is more important. I know a lot of people with jobs that never get enough hours.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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Whoosh.
Yes, my point did go over your head.

Again, the article uses 'facts' that are not true. It's a non-issue.

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How does pretending the job market has zero problems help someone find a job or improving oneself?
That's been my point this entire time. It forces someone to continually improve. Blaming the job market, or an employer gives someone an excuse. If it's something or someone else's fault, that gives someone an excuse to not improve. They can claim they did nothing wrong and it's bad luck, discrimination, etc.

Back to my question that you still didn't answer, how often after you're rejected from a job do you go back through your notes from that company, your revisions for the resume you put together for that company, your networking list you developed for that job, and try to pinpoint what you could have done better?

If you were rejected because you were overqualified, then you presented your resume wrong, and the sales pitch you gave on yourself was wrong for that position. That's exactly what I've been talking about. How often do you specifically set aside 2-3 hours after you hear you didn't get the job and actually review your notes from that application process to critically think about what you could have done better in applying for that specific job?

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Old 05-05-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Again, the article uses 'facts' that are not true. It's a non-issue.
No, it doesn't, and that the discussion is not confined to the intricate statisticulation of the government numbers continues to escape you.
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