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Old 05-04-2019, 06:37 PM
 
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Unemployment for recent college grads is at an all time low. It's extremely easy for people with a degree, but no experience to find jobs.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2018/un....htm?view_full
Yea.. but Bobsell couldn't switch career from computer science to CPA though. Therefore, we are still in a recession and McJobs are the only jobs out there
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Reality is the job market is better than it has been in decades, as is shown by measures of unemployment...
Not one argument there.
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:57 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Yea.. but Bobsell couldn't switch career from computer science to CPA though. Therefore, we are still in a recession and McJobs are the only jobs out there
Even though the underlying job market may be good, this speaks to a problem.

Pigeonholing is common among IT workers. You worked this toolkit, that API, and that language over this many years and people think that is all you can do.
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:13 PM
 
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MAGA supporters cling to the idea that the economy is at an all time high. Croc of bullsh*t. There are no more jobs than there were when Nosama was president. People will use whatever data they can to justify their political and personal beliefs.

Unless your in a high skilled white collar type of industry, you are in no better shape than you were five years ago. Stop it with the b.s.
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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If the job market were really awesome as they say it was, we would see:
... tons of entry level jobs that require no experience, so recent grads and career changers can get into..
Agree. I know couple pharmacists and lawyers are unemployed for a year now. They stay home watched TV everyday. Probably they are burning all their savings away. They don't want to work for minimum wage jobs.

Also couple computer science graduates I know still are working for minimum wage job at a local supermarket. Even computer science now is getting too saturated. Too many people are studying software programming trying to break into the field. Now the requirement for software developer entry level job is at least couple years. Some hiring managers said for every entry level software programming job at a good company, there are a thousand or two applicants.

But there are tons of low skill jobs here in NYC though like fast food workers, dishwashers, home care aides, hosts, customer services, stock boys, security guards, Uber drivers, food delivery guys.... I feel at least 30% of the economy is consist of gig jobs now. A lot of full time white collar jobs have been gone. They have been replaced by either by software automation or outsourced to other nations. Case in point, ATM machines have replaced a lot of bank employees.

Probably the gig economy has shrunk the unemployment rate. You just work couple gig jobs. You are counted as full time employee in the economic report.
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:30 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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MAGA supporters cling to the idea that the economy is at an all time high. Croc of bullsh*t. There are no more jobs than there were when Nosama was president. People will use whatever data they can to justify their political and personal beliefs.

Unless your in a high skilled white collar type of industry, you are in no better shape than you were five years ago. Stop it with the b.s.
The fact is, the GDP has never been as high as it is. $21.063 Trillion. So the economy has never been this large, and that's a fact.
In 2016 there were 151 million people working. Now there are 157 million. And that's a fact.


In order to make your comments stick, shouldn't you make an effort to disprove that?
MAGA
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Old 05-04-2019, 09:42 PM
 
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Even though the underlying job market may be good, this speaks to a problem.

Pigeonholing is common among IT workers. You worked this toolkit, that API, and that language over this many years and people think that is all you can do.
When you're rejected in career transitions, you take a step back and ask why you personally aren't doing correctly, and what you personally need to change in terms of skill, attitude, etc. to be right for the new role.

You don't blame the economy, the job market, etc. That has never once helped someone find a new job. It is not difficult in IT to find transferable skills. People need to learn to be self-critical, admit they might need to improve in some way, and learn to sell themselves.

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Not one argument there.
I'm not sure what the point in including the quote from that article in the OP then. It's not accurate.
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Old 05-04-2019, 10:04 PM
 
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Unemployment for recent college grads is at an all time low.
That's because when a college grad is working a Mcjob (due to getting hit with a catch-22) they're not counted as unemployed in the U3.

Duh.

Seriously. Do you have any idea what comprises the U3 unemployment rate?

And if someone is working a Mcjob to make ends meet and looking for a real job, you still think they're unemployed? Out. Of. Touch.

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It's extremely easy for people with a degree, but no experience to find jobs.
Yes, Mcjobs and sales jobs are EASY to find without experience.

But dare to look for a job in their major, the catch-22 is still there.



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Yea.. but Bobsell couldn't switch career from computer science to CPA though. Therefore, we are still in a recession and McJobs are the only jobs out there
You know you are unable to actually maintain your point when you have to put words I never said in my mouth.

Seriously. You just blew any shred of credibility here. The temple of employer worshipers will be very cross with you.

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Even though the underlying job market may be good, this speaks to a problem.

Pigeonholing is common among IT workers. You worked this toolkit, that API, and that language over this many years and people think that is all you can do.
There's also the problem that employers don't accept transferable skills in one field when they're looking for candidates in another field. That's why the pigeonholing happens.

You're an awesome dev, QA, or BA? And you get training in PM and try to get a PM job? Your PM experience in your previous roles don't count because you didn't have a PM job title.
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Old 05-04-2019, 10:09 PM
 
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Probably the gig economy has shrunk the unemployment rate. You just work couple gig jobs. You are counted as full time employee in the economic report.
The gig economy shrunk the unemployment rate because if you're working a part time gig, you're no longer counted as U3 unemployed.

What is the biggest problem is that every recession seems to go through this pattern:

* Tons of high paying middle class jobs that people worked hard to train, educate themselves, and upskill themselves to get, get sliced.
* when the economy recovers, tons of Mcjobs get created and good paying jobs take forever to get created.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/b...paid-ones.html

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The deep recession wiped out primarily high-wage and middle-wage jobs. Yet the strongest employment growth during the sluggish recovery has been in low-wage work, at places like strip malls and fast-food restaurants.
So what happens is that more and more people get stuck in Mcjobs and the usual suspects (employer worshipers) must think there is something wrong with the employers when in reality, structural unemployment has increased.
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Old 05-04-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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When you're rejected in career transitions, you take a step back and ask why you personally aren't doing correctly, and what you personally need to change in terms of skill, attitude, etc. to be right for the new role.

You don't blame the economy, the job market, etc. That has never once helped someone find a new job.
Of course, you believe it is 100% the candidate's fault. It is never ever anyone else's fault. Rock that hobby horse quicker, please.

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It is not difficult in IT to find transferable skills.
But it is hard to find employers who accept transferable skills. In addition, pigeonholing happens.

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People need to learn to be self-critical, admit they might need to improve in some way, and learn to sell themselves.
How does one sell themselves to an employer who refuses to hire people without experience (defined by job title)? That's a waste of time.
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