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Old 05-05-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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My company is pursuing ISO certification this year.

For those who don't know:
ISO 9001 is defined as the international standard that specifies requirements for a quality management system (QMS). Organizations use the standard to demonstrate the ability to consistently provide products and services that meet customer and regulatory requirements. It is the most popular standard in the ISO 9000 series and the only standard in the series to which organizations can certify.

ISO 9001 was first published in 1987 by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), an international agency composed of the national standards bodies of more than 160 countries. The current version of ISO 9001 was released in September 2015.



My company is encouraging many staff to enter into a Six Sigma program to eventually receive their Black Belt. https://asq.org/cert/six-sigma-black-belt

Anyone have any experience with this certification?????
Does it help advance your career or is it just a fad or gimmick?
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Everything from the ISO 9000 standards to all the modern Six Sigma, lean, agile etc. blah blah blah business practices are essentially employer-benefiting BS.

Many businesses can stand some tightening up and efficiency, but turning it into a religious battle is just complete nonsense.
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Old 05-05-2019, 09:55 AM
 
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I have a green belt. It is what it is. If an employer wants it, I have it. It separates me from the competition.

As far as the info itself, it's a great methodology for process design. Many operations workers don't like it because it makes use new procedures and many long term workers are resistant to change.

You will also have to be comfortable with statistics and math as the whole point of six sigma is to be able to calculate process efficiency numerically. Six sigma means being six standard deviations from the mean.
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Old 05-05-2019, 10:35 AM
 
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I thought about getting a certification but since there are no jobs that require no experience, there's no way to get a job as a six sigma anything.
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Old 05-05-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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I thought about getting a certification but since there are no jobs that require no experience, there's no way to get a job as a six sigma anything.
But being a highly- and expensively-trained expert on process, control and documentation means you don't really have to know anything else.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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You will also have to be comfortable with statistics and math as the whole point of six sigma is to be able to calculate process efficiency numerically. Six sigma means being six standard deviations from the mean.

I've been working in statistics for over 20 years and never encountered any kind of Sigma Belting.
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Old 05-05-2019, 11:05 AM
 
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I've been working in statistics for over 20 years and never encountered any kind of Sigma Belting.
You've got it backwards. 6S is not a statistical tool; it's a pseudoscience of efficiency management that uses reams and reams of statistical interpretation to justify its presence. (And that prized "lean" company structure that is so "agile" about swelling the stockholders' accounts.)
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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I've been working in statistics for over 20 years and never encountered any kind of Sigma Belting.
That's because 6 Sigma is a packaged wrapper around a management fad that has a tenuous link to statistics. It started in Motorola as a tools to improve manufacturing processes to where six standard deviations worth of products would be defect free. It sounds extreme, but when you're cranking out zillions of smart phones, even .1% defective is millions in lost cost.


Like so many other management fads, the problem isn't with the concept, but with applying it outside where it's intended to work. It's possible in manufacturing for example to measure and machine a part to exacting levels of tolerance. But many management processes are more of a wet finger in the wind measurement. Hence why "metrics" has become a nonsense word in many offices -- management puts inordinate time into measuring what they can measure, usually nonsense, because they can't measure those things that actually matter.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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It's a solid certification to get, especially in process improvement jobs in manufacturing industries.
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Old 05-05-2019, 12:39 PM
 
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It's a solid certification to get, especially in process improvement jobs in manufacturing industries.
Solid because it impresses the hell out of other companies? Sure.
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