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Old 05-17-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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OP sounds like we work for the same insurance company...lol.

The job hoppers are the ones who have totally ruined our company. The folks who were competent and actually had the knowledge and technical ability were driven out and replaced by a bunch of morons with zero industry experience that can't solve basic problems or produce any results. The company is too damn cheap to pay for talent. The company has experienced massive 'brain drain' over the last 5 years

My clueless manager has failed chronically and consistently for the last THREE years and failed to produce any results or meet metrics. No one in upper management has held this moron accountable. He blew through the OT budget for the entire year in 3 months due to horrible mismanagement.

I am so sick of this s*** show everyday. Are there any large companies left that are run well?
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Old 05-17-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Yes, I’m actually amazed at how poorly big, well known companies are run. When I was in college, I had this mystique about the Fortune 500 being elite like how you would think of NBA players or something in terms of athletics.

But really, they have probably 20 to 30 percent of the work force that is actually exceptional. But there’s an equal amount of people who are absolutely dead wood. Either because they’ve been there so long and are just complacent and financially secure or they’re just off in some useless silo lost in the beuracracy of a big employer. For people who are good, you get piled on with expectations and work. People who suck can skate by with very little responsibility or accountability. Trying to work with other business units as a corporate business unit can be downright disgusting. Emails go off into the void or just get passed around through literally 10 people before someone actually claims “hey I can be responsible for that”.

It seems the only way to get rid of useless people is through mass layoffs. And quite literally I think you could fire 1/5 of the staff in these companies without the company even skipping a beat.
I chuckled when you mentioned the “e-mails that go off into the void”. I’m always bringing things up and it’s very discouraging when I don’t receive replies. As a sales Manager, I also have to speak to agents for the presentation of our new 2020 benefits during the Fall. I hope that the company will fix some of its crap before then! Otherwise, I’ll be lying to the agents, singing the company’s sweet siren song and feeling like sheet.

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Old 05-17-2019, 09:11 PM
 
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funny how these threads are always dominated by folks who are talented, extra hard workers, and all the folks they work with are slackers, and their managers/bosses are all incompetent morons. I'm long ago retired, but I doubt things have changed a lot since I was working, and I think it was Shakespeare that said "the empty vessel makes the loudest noise" (not an exact quote)
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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funny how these threads are always dominated by folks who are talented, extra hard workers, and all the folks they work with are slackers, and their managers/bosses are all incompetent morons. I'm long ago retired, but I doubt things have changed a lot since I was working, and I think it was Shakespeare that said "the empty vessel makes the loudest noise" (not an exact quote)
Well, business just hasn't been the same since you bought a rocking chair.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:20 PM
 
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Well, business just hasn't been the same since you bought a rocking chair.
lol - Based on this post, I'm pretty sure you are in the "loudest noise" group.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Nah, I just can't resist stupid posts from drive-by participants.
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Old 05-17-2019, 10:46 PM
 
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Nah, I just can't resist stupid posts from drive-by participants.
Don't be so harsh on yourself, bro.
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Old 05-18-2019, 03:32 AM
 
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funny how these threads are always dominated by folks who are talented, extra hard workers, and all the folks they work with are slackers, and their managers/bosses are all incompetent morons. I'm long ago retired, but I doubt things have changed a lot since I was working, and I think it was Shakespeare that said "the empty vessel makes the loudest noise" (not an exact quote)
I hate posts like yours where some know-it-all is wagging their finger to others as if they are petulant children who haven't seen the world yet. Yes, your quotation is admittedly valuable, I could even apply it to my own company and derive the same conclusion. Each day is a tedious rerun of managers running around putting out fires and getting worked up about politics. Sound familiar? Workplace incompetence is shockingly prevalent and complaining about it is not a sign of immaturity or weakness, it's the opposite.
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Old 05-18-2019, 04:48 AM
 
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The reality is that you can't run a larger company like a baseball team, demoting or dropping staff for plateauing too long or a period of decline in performance.

It's a bit like pitching in the majors... when there were only 12 teams, it was rare for a team not to have one or two future HoFers on its rotation, if not more. Expand to 32 teams, and the pool of these exquisitely talented players is diluted.

If you have 5,000 employees, they're not going to be the best 5,000 employees on earth.

That this sometimes spreads into whole layers or departments of middling competence is both true and regrettable, but I think a lot of such assessment that "there's a whole middle layer no one needs" is a bit subjective. See the recent laughable thread about how software teams don't need any management.
Oh no, I get all that. Not everyone can or needs to be a super star. Of course there’s need for steady role players. Be a star in your role and all that.

I don’t expect to work next to 10 babe Ruth’s. But I do expect the slobby out of shape player talking about how they used to be all conference in high school to be told the dream is over for their time in the big show.

There are people in these corporations that quite literally don’t deserve to be there. In many cases progression in these big companies is a stamp of your competence. Your rise signals how elite you are. But there’s a large segment of employees who actually think they’re elite just because they work for a name brand company. It goes to their ego and they point to their long tenure as a badge. But reality is, they suck and they’re coasting deadwood. The talented, hardworking people just work around them and carry all their weight like a sack.

Dunning Kruger and all that.
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Old 05-18-2019, 08:42 AM
 
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First rate companies hire first rate people.

Second rate companies hire third rate people.
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