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Old 05-20-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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Lets remember, your manager wasn't in the role until recently, and probably did not know s/he was going to get the job. There was no opportunity to backfill.

Give your new manager time to work this out. It is an unreasonable expectation to have a new manager and coworker on the same day.
Disagree somewhat. Same day may be unreasonable, but part of the promotion process should have been the backfill timeline process. All staff should have been updated regarding that, as well as the promotion.

To just drop the ball on that point is Mismanagement 101.

Staff will take on extra work usually, if and only if, communication is the S.O.P. from Day 1, with progress towards backfilling also shared as quickly as possible.
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Old 05-20-2019, 08:41 PM
 
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My friend was promoted to the head of her department and her job changed dramatically and not for the better in some ways. The activities she did when she was lower down the ladder that attracted her to her field are now something she simply doesn't GET to do. That upsets her. But also, when she first got the job she felt weird because she wasn't doing those tasks. She said to me "It's kind of weird to get used to being paid to simply think rather than to DO stuff." Her role involves research and strategizing and not a little schmoozing.

It's a weird thing to adapt to, imo. I also am in a job where I get paid to think. When we were in startup mode, there was not a lot of time for this. Now things have slowed down and workloads have become reasonable. So I often feel like I'm not being productive, but my ideas are valued. A lot of my role is simply thinking of new angles and concepts for our main business and developing plans of how to execute them.

Maybe this guy is just slacking off, but if he has a new role, I don't think he should be performing the work of his previous job description. Presumably if he had a full-time role it was FULL TIME. His day was occupied by doing his job. If he got promoted he is in a role with more responsibility that he must learn and adapt to. That is presumably a full-time role as well. Honestly, I think it is the job of the person next highest-up on the ladder (the one who oversaw his promotion) to make sure that his old job is filled or develop a transition plan.
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Old 05-21-2019, 12:58 AM
 
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Oh surprise. Another company where management isnít held accountable for anything or required to any work at all. . Get out. It wonít get any better. Maybe you luck out and find a place where management is held accountable for something.... probably not though
Had education and parenting really failed us so badly that we have people like the poster I quoted having no basic understanding of organizational structures?
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:05 AM
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Did the new manager change from hourly to salaried? It's actually defined in Federal law that salaried employees can't do some of kinds of work done by hourly employees. In that case, it's not the employer's fault. But as a practical matter, the employer should be giving the manager additional new and appropriate duties to account for the reduced workload.
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Old 05-21-2019, 05:14 AM
 
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As a manager he has different tasks than he had before.
Yes, now he should be doing managerial stuff.....you know like, uh......holding weekly meetings and umm....assigning work. Those alone should take a solid 1.5 hours out of his week!
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:36 AM
 
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Had education and parenting really failed us so badly that we have people like the poster I quoted having no basic understanding of organizational structures?



Like I stated, its no secret why most kids come out of college and within a year "fast track" their way to management as soon as possible.


Organization structure these days, is a select few do ALL the work while management sits back, collects a big paycheck and does nothing and not br held accountable for anything. If management wasn't such a "cushy deal" this day in age, you wouldn't have so many people quickly wanting to join those ranks.

The guy cleaning the crappers or stocking shelves is held to a greater degree of accountability than any manager Ive seen these days
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Old 05-21-2019, 06:39 AM
 
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Like I stated, its no secret why most kids come out of college and within a year "fast track" their way to management as soon as possible.


Organization structure these days, is a select few do ALL the work while management sits back, collects a big paycheck and does nothing and not br held accountable for anything. If management wasn't such a "cushy deal" this day in age, you wouldn't have so many people quickly wanting to join those ranks
A---freaking---MEN! I've seen this now in a number of organizations where I've worked. The running joke at my current company is how in the world does our manager and his manager fill their days? They do no actual day-to-day work, they haven't needed to hire anyone in years, when they do they delegate training to their teams, they run a few reports every month that show the metrics of our team to higher ups but other than that plus proctoring a weekly 30 minute call, we really wonder what it is they do????
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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His reasoning = I'm a manager now, I need to manage which is delegating. I quote "I'm not suppose to do any of the individual contributor role tasks anymore so I'm passing it along"
As other's have indicated - not enough info to really provide a meaningful response. Was the promotion into another group/business service? Or is he now in charge of the group he was working with?

If the former - I can see why that would make sense. And the manager you report to will need to figure out how to backfill the gap. If it's the latter, he's still ultimately responsible. It may not be his job to actually do the work - but if it doesn't get done, he will still be accountable for it. Thus, if he doesn't take on that responsibility - he may be looking for a job sooner or later.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Yes, now he should be doing managerial stuff.....you know like, uh......holding weekly meetings and umm....assigning work. Those alone should take a solid 1.5 hours out of his week!
You should get a management job then and enjoy those other 38.5 hours.
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Old 05-21-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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He changed jobs. After a reasonable transition period, it's entirely expected that his duties would change.
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