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Old 06-06-2019, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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Honestly, you'd think at this point in history we would have record number of people not working. Well, in a way we do, it's just that we require these people to still show up somewhere to do nothing. Most of the do-nothings are making 6 figures.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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I don't consider any job to really be "crappy" based solely on wage. Honestly, if it had to come down to it, I'd do what I have to in order to provide for myself and my family. And there's a lot of higher paying "crappy" jobs.

McJobs serve different purposes for different people. You can't monitor happiness on how much a job pays per se.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Honestly, you'd think at this point in history we would have record number of people not working. Well, in a way we do, it's just that we require these people to still show up somewhere to do nothing. Most of the do-nothings are making 6 figures.
Sorry but this sounds like someone is jealous. Any person with a brain knows that there are slackers at all levels.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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Simple. When labor unions are weak, the capital owner class can steamroll the typical worker. Trade unions have always been the best way to democratize society. We saw it during the New Deal and in the 1960s in America, we've seen it Western European countries and Canada. There is simply no way workers can act as lone rangers when up against a well equipped platoon. Capital is highly organized. Workers are not. Its not difficult to predict what the consequences are.

Until workers find the guts to stand up and fight back by organizing, its only going to get worse.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:36 AM
 
Location: New York, NY
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Organized crime seems like a much better trade-off.
Even that has gone down hill. They all rat each other out once they get caught. No job security in that line of work either, lol.
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Old 06-06-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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Simple. When labor unions are weak, the capital owner class can steamroll the typical worker. Trade unions have always been the best way to democratize society. We saw it during the New Deal and in the 1960s in America, we've seen it Western European countries and Canada. There is simply no way workers can act as lone rangers when up against a well equipped platoon. Capital is highly organized. Workers are not. Its not difficult to predict what the consequences are.

Until workers find the guts to stand up and fight back by organizing, its only going to get worse.
Have you not been watching the political arena? Certain people would benefit from unions. However, certain political affiliations have convinced them that unions are bad.

I'm not a big union supporter but I wouldn't call for their total elimination.
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Old 06-06-2019, 10:27 AM
 
Location: plano
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I had 20 jobs with same company for 38 years. It was a great job but very long hours. Wife got chronic health issues so retired at 60.

Company had an up or out philosophy. I was one of 40 engineers hired at one of companys major locations the summer I graduated from college. When I returned 5 of the 40 had made it to that time, rest left on their own. If you weren't a good fit you would leave. They laid great. Worked you hard but took good care of you and the family. Few are willing to get too spot as an engineer to get offered by this company. The jobs are challenging interesting with global responsibility. Good jobs are out their but you start early getting ready for engineering at a top school to get a top 5% GPA to needed for the fit here. More to do than you can get down in 80 hours. Week so you show how you manage priorities ND how much you can handle sucessfully abd the promotions moves and financial success rolls in. It's s career and wat of life not just a job with 40 hours a week and you go home.

I miss it and am lucky I stumbled into the job.
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Old 06-06-2019, 10:58 AM
 
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I think it is obvious that everyone who has had to search for a job has noticed the McJob recovery. But WHY are so many jobs crappy? As the united states of America is this the best we can do? Do we need to hand our economy to the govt because we just can't pull it together and create an abundance of GOOD jobs where McJobs are held EXCLUSIVELY by high school students during the time they have?

I can't imagine people are happy in all these McJobs so I would imagine there will eventually be consequences?

Jobs are crappy because of greed. Low wages are not necessary if the company isn't being pressured by shareholders to keep increasing profit margins year over year. That's why wages haven't increased much over the years. Insane Profit is like usury. It's abusive and a runaway locomotive. Capitalism as a concept is fine but flat out criminal when it runs rampant without checks and balances.



It's not just McD jobs but other mega companies like Wally, HD, that do not pay a living wage yet their profits are enormous. Same with banks. The make billions but do not pass this on to their customers or employees.
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Old 06-06-2019, 11:32 AM
 
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Jobs are crappy because of greed. Low wages are not necessary if the company isn't being pressured by shareholders to keep increasing profit margins year over year. That's why wages haven't increased much over the years. Insane Profit is like usury. It's abusive and a runaway locomotive. Capitalism as a concept is fine but flat out criminal when it runs rampant without checks and balances.

It's not just McD jobs but other mega companies like Wally, HD, that do not pay a living wage yet their profits are enormous. Same with banks. The make billions but do not pass this on to their customers or employees.
You people just keep repeating the same old tired worn-out clichés, over and over. "Jobs are crappy because of greed." How many times have we heard this before, especially here in this forum?

Jobs... more accurately, careers... are what you make of them, no more, no less. If you think there are no opportunities in the bottom 50% of the job market, then you are not promoting yourself properly, failing to train and acquire better skills, and maybe you have an entitled attitude that annoys employers and probably limits your upward mobility.

Networking is considered, even today, the best way to find good jobs. Having someone vouch for you is an "in" to an organization that cannot be obtained any other way. So, why are young people not getting out there and joining networking groups? There are tons of them. Or else, engage in civic activities, get active in your church or synagogue, do volunteer work and develop a reputation as a hard worker, and tips about jobs will start to come your way. Why is this stuff not taught in high school?

Take charge of your career and make it happen; stop waiting for others to hand you wonderful, easy, high paying jobs on a silver platter. That's fantasyland. In the real world, unless you inherit a nice cushy trust fund, you have to work hard for what you get, and build up a great career and financial security over the decades.
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Old 06-06-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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You people just keep repeating the same old tired worn-out clichés, over and over. "Jobs are crappy because of greed." How many times have we heard this before, especially here in this forum?

Jobs... more accurately, careers... are what you make of them, no more, no less. If you think there are no opportunities in the bottom 50% of the job market, then you are not promoting yourself properly, failing to train and acquire better skills, and maybe you have an entitled attitude that annoys employers and probably limits your upward mobility.

Networking is considered, even today, the best way to find good jobs. Having someone vouch for you is an "in" to an organization that cannot be obtained any other way. So, why are young people not getting out there and joining networking groups? There are tons of them. Or else, engage in civic activities, get active in your church or synagogue, do volunteer work and develop a reputation as a hard worker, and tips about jobs will start to come your way. Why is this stuff not taught in high school?

Take charge of your career and make it happen; stop waiting for others to hand you wonderful, easy, high paying jobs on a silver platter. That's fantasyland. In the real world, unless you inherit a nice cushy trust fund, you have to work hard for what you get, and build up a great career and financial security over the decades.
There’s a shortage of skilled tradesmen because of the baby boomers retiring. But no one wants to get their hands dirty anymore. You can make great money in the trades there’s even a shortage of professional semi truck drivers. People expect the jobs to come to them it doesn’t work like that.
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