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Old 06-03-2019, 03:36 AM
 
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I think it is obvious that everyone who has had to search for a job has noticed the McJob recovery. But WHY are so many jobs crappy? As the united states of America is this the best we can do? Do we need to hand our economy to the govt because we just can't pull it together and create an abundance of GOOD jobs where McJobs are held EXCLUSIVELY by high school students during the time they have?

I can't imagine people are happy in all these McJobs so I would imagine there will eventually be consequences?
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Old 06-03-2019, 05:15 AM
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Location: Georgia
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I think there's really no way to discuss "consequences" without getting political, since those who support the structural changes in our labor economy will vehemently disagree with those who oppose those changes. So putting that aside, the reality is that jobs are "crappy" because having a labor economy with more "crappier" jobs is more profitable. It keeps labor resources from being more costly than would be the case in a labor economy with a greater percentage of more vital and more highly skilled jobs would.

It isn't the "best" that can be done - there has been some restraint and constraint imposed. In other words, jobs could be "crappier" resulting in even greater profits. However, that's probably not the answer you were looking for to the question you asked. It is important to be specific when using words like "best". You probably meant to ask whether this is the labor economy that offers employees the most rewarding employment. I think with the covers taken off of the question, like that, though, the answer is self-evident: That's not the intent of those who have the power to craft the labor economy.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:09 AM
 
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It depends where you're looking. Most decent jobs are filled via networking. If someone is only looking for work in online ads, they will tend to see lower end jobs that no one else wants, simply because of the medium in which they are job searching.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:29 AM
 
Location: OHIO
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It's impossible for "McJobs" to be held exclusively by HS students, I hate when people say that. Who are the managers? Who is working Mon-Fri 5am-1pm? Who is working overnights? Not students.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:38 AM
 
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I think it is obvious that everyone who has had to search for a job has noticed the McJob recovery. But WHY are so many jobs crappy? As the united states of America is this the best we can do? Do we need to hand our economy to the govt because we just can't pull it together and create an abundance of GOOD jobs where McJobs are held EXCLUSIVELY by high school students during the time they have?

I can't imagine people are happy in all these McJobs so I would imagine there will eventually be consequences?
You are obviously just looking at job website ads. Most good jobs do not get posted. You have to talk with people to find them.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Pittsford, NY
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Some reasons it is all McJobs...

The devaluation of technical people (not talking IT). Which is basically continual cut of people like in depth engineers and scientists, giving the money to executives, then putting the technical stuff overseas and pay low wages for it.

The shifting of manufacturing overseas.

What didn't exist in the past but does now: age discrimination

The overvaluation of paperwork. Often times huge money is spent on organization charts and re-organizations. They serve nobody well in what I have seen at companies, it is flushing money away.

The focus on short term numbers over long term. Long term means R&D and valuing people who do it. Companies have pushed this to the trash bin to make short term numbers look great.

The overvaluation on things like 6 sigma, Lean, Kaizen and other silliness instead of common sense. Companies spend fortunes on this stuff instead of developing a product to sell.

The overvaluation of certifications. Often times the best people I know were not ever, nor would they be interested in certifications. I have seen it over and over the certifications people just should not be in the positions.

The conversion of HR into a completely incapable office that does little and hires out what they used to do, or turns to mostly keyword or other algorithms that don't work.

The overvaluation of IT (engineering and science is not IT to me nor was it ever). I am sure many people will disagree so I put this late on the list, but seen it just about everywhere. IT is way way way over-valued.

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Old 06-03-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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I think most of the better jobs that provide good careers are just not being filled or posted by the employers. They are making due with what they have instead of being staffed properly to handle the workload. They go full lay-off mode (generally for both good reason) and the poor saps they are left behind at stuck doing that person responsibilities. All in seeing now is 1-2 people doing the responsibility of 3-5 people. Naturally, they can’t keep up and operations begin to suffer
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:25 AM
 
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Is there an out for engineers scientists and mathematicians? I’m hearing norway is not actually all that now. Typically scientists and engineers would just flee the country when things became low brow and crappy.
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:43 AM
 
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Is there an out for engineers scientists and mathematicians? I’m hearing norway is not actually all that now. Typically scientists and engineers would just flee the country when things became low brow and crappy.
they flee to the US and become taxi drivers...
Licensing Barriers Leave Immigrant Doctors Driving Cabs Instead of Practicing Medicine : Immigration Impact

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/09/h...ing/index.html

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...rticle4106352/ <-- in Canada as well

well, if you are already here, you can drive for uber and skip the taxi part

really, do people think fleeing a country entitles them to a high paying job elsewhere?
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Old 06-03-2019, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Between West Chester and Chester, PA
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I don't think it's so much the jobs that suck. It's the employers. They want to get the most out of people while expecting them to accept substandard wages. Then there are the other out of touch employers who are looking for a go-getter candidate who is in their early 20's, has 15+ years of experience, a PhD, and can juggle 6 different things at one time.

Organized crime seems like a much better trade-off.
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