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Old 06-14-2019, 01:46 PM
 
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You may have a name outside of your employer, especially if you are in a customer-focused job. By doing your every day activities you interact with many people in your profession who are not your coworkers.
Most people in engineering work in a cubicle or in a lab, only interacting with coworkers, or sometimes with suppliers. Your type of solution does not apply to everyone.
And I'm in the top 5...1% of my profession for sure, not just locally, but also in the wider silicon valley.
People from different companies have acknowledged that. People who met me otherwise, not through an HR brick-wall portal.
What comes off your post is simple cynicism. Also you don't understand your own circumstances, and trying to apply it on others.

Another thing: companies are not people. They don't act like a single person. There are thousands of individuals acting in their own self interest, often in a covertly adversarial role to their employer. They undermine their employer's business for personal gain. the personal gain might be pleasing friends, virtue signalling, ideological satisfaction, propelling own career based on lies while pushing down others... many things.
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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And I'm in the top 5...1% of my profession for sure, not just locally, but also in the wider silicon valley.
and steve jobs got fired from apple because he didn't learn to work with people... it wasn't until he went to pixar that he learned something called teamwork that he could become successful when he went back to apple

it isn't about being the top X%, because it doesn't matter, someone is always there that can do your job. it might take 2 people or 3, so what? if they rather work with those 2 or 3 people, they will hire them over you

people somehow think social skill isn't an actual "skill"? sorry, but social skills beats technical skills any day of the week because technical skills can be farmed out. technical skills without a putting a face to it means India/China/or down the street at a temp agency.

why can't sports teams put together the "best" players in each position and get a winning team? because a team without actual teamwork doesn't get anywhere. you need people skilled enough in their own roles first, but once you hit that level, working together is important

there isn't much value in 1 person speeding so far ahead of the rest of the team to a company because there is no "projects" for them to move on to. Having a team that can complete a job on time is more valuable. If they want someone to speed ahead once in a while, they contract that portion out
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Old 06-14-2019, 02:23 PM
 
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it isn't about being the top X%, because it doesn't matter, someone is always there that can do your job. it might take 2 people or 3, so what? if they rather work with those 2 or 3 people, they will hire them over you
people somehow think social skill isn't an actual "skill"? sorry, but social skills beats technical skills any day of the week because technical skills can be farmed out. technical skills without a putting a face to it means India/China/or down the street at a temp agency.
You are desperate trying to blame it on me. First of all why would you assume I don't have social skills? What do you consider social skills anyway? Couldn't it be that it is not me lacking anything, rather the employers or their HR is at fault?
Your assumption that the work will get done, is stupid. There were companies that went bankrupt because their low skill workforce could not produce their product. Typically monopolies can take more hit of incompetence, until they are no longer monopolies. Like Microsoft. their product is borderline garbage, but good luck with Linux when all professional business software only runs on windows. Or when the Boeing 737 was banned from the air for a long time, because incompetent HR-favorites designed its safety-critical software? Anyone cares about that?

And Apple became junk after Steve Jobs left. How do you justify that? What is the purpose of a business? Is it for a mob to make each other feel good? I don't think so. They should have jumped when Steve told them to jump, instead of forcing HIM out. All those people were almost destroyed a large business? That is not right, that makes no business sense, it does not result in anything valuable. The mob, the large number of incompetent people and their needs is what does not matter. Mobs are over-rated.
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Old 06-14-2019, 02:56 PM
 
Location: Planet Telex
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The modern young worker, is the reason companies have changed from training and growing workers, to only hiring people that are trained and experienced. Cost to train a worker, when all expenses and lost production are added up, to train someone who leaves the job as soon as they are trained as young people do today, would be stupid.

So the businesses today quit training, or they would end up broke and out of business
Your theory has been debunked so many times yet you keep trotting this out as if it were fact. Why?
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Old 06-14-2019, 08:03 PM
 
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Your theory has been debunked so many times yet you keep trotting this out as if it were fact. Why?
It has been proven time after time on these threads, as posters keep saying they are only going to stay for a couple of years until they have enough skills to get a better job, and advise others to do the same.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:07 PM
 
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It has been proven time after time on these threads, as posters keep saying they are only going to stay for a couple of years until they have enough skills to get a better job, and advise others to do the same.
Most companies PREFER to hire fresh graduates, due to the white cloth theory (fallacy). Our company does it constantly. Oxxxxx company hires fresh grads from ivy league for higher salary than they hire non ivy league experienced engineers.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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It has been proven time after time on these threads, as posters keep saying they are only going to stay for a couple of years until they have enough skills to get a better job, and advise others to do the same.
And time after time you keep making the same asinine argument that it's the employee's fault that the employer isn't paying a competitive salary/wage. If companies want to retain that training and skillset, then they need to quit doing it the half-assed "how long can we keep him/her at this cheap salary" way.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:25 PM
 
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Even if true... so what?
We are told that candidates are not supposed to be entitled little snots, but here employers are acting that way.

Double standard = corruption.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:27 PM
 
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So the businesses today quit training, or they would end up broke and out of business
So they prefer to keep recycling through people over and over because they hire people that lie on their resumes that they have experience and oops, they really don't?

Cost of hiring is through the roof, and liars get the jobs only to get fired.
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