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Old 06-18-2019, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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I did not give the receptionist the salary of the accountant. It was passed along in general conversation. The accountant told someone who told someone else, etc.

The receptionist does not think just having a piece of paper (A MA Degree and a CPA) should mean that they make three times more than her. I told her that in 15-20 years when the Accountant moves into management she will make 5-6 times the pay of a receptionist. She got even angrier.

What is a fair wage difference between our 27-year-old Receptionist and our 27-year-old Accountant?
A fair wage? What ever the person is worth.

The receptionist has every right to go back to school and get a Masters in Accounting and become a CPA. If I remember correctly, to become a CPA means working 2,000 hours of time for a CPA firm or another CPA, after completing the education requirements. Each state may be different. I only remember the California requirements. During that 2,000 hours specific aspects of accounting need to be covered.

I don't think becoming a receptionist has any of those requirements. Someone with a High School diploma can do it.

But she is welcome to go back to school and get the credentials.

It does amaze me when someone that puts the work in is thought of as equal to someone that does not want to work for it.
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Old 06-18-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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A fair wage? What ever the person is worth.

The receptionist has every right to go back to school and get a Masters in Accounting and become a CPA. If I remember correctly, to become a CPA means working 2,000 hours of time for a CPA firm or another CPA, after completing the education requirements. Each state may be different. I only remember the California requirements. During that 2,000 hours specific aspects of accounting need to be covered.

I don't think becoming a receptionist has any of those requirements. Someone with a High School diploma can do it.

But she is welcome to go back to school and get the credentials.

It does amaze me when someone that puts the work in is thought of as equal to someone that does not want to work for it.

How about, "Whatever the job is worth."


A CPA cooking burgers at McDonald's shouldn't be paid a CPA salary.
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Old 06-18-2019, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Maybe he meant that poor people can't afford to take time off of working to get an education, i.e. they're working two jobs. Not that it's impossible to work multiple jobs and go to night school at the same time, but I'd imagine that most can't do it.

I did. I was making $7 an hour from 3PM to 11PM, and got student loans to go to school during the day while supporting a girlfriend and her son.

If someone wants to do it, they can do it. If they want to complain about how hard it is and how unfair life is, they can do that... and fail.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:29 PM
 
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Lots of people can't afford education when their income is so low.
Not everyone needs a college education, but really, if someone is poor, s/he can apply for grants.

It's the lower middle class who have trouble affording college. Not poor enough for grants, not enough money to pay for it. That gets into student loans, but we all know the horror stories about what's happening with student loans.

Some states pay for the first couple of years, if a student goes to college right after high school. Even redneck Louisiana does that. It will pay for I think two years? Including books and dorm.

Starbucks will pay for an employee to get an online degree, I think. (no, not that fly by night; you take courses from a real bricks & mortar college, but do the online courses.)

Some companies will reimburse some college costs. Like UPS, Wells Fargo, Comcast. https://www.estudentloan.com/blog/10...lp-pay-college
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:07 AM
 
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Here's my post that you responded to, with the bolded part basically already agreeing with you:

"Maybe he meant that poor people can't afford to take time off of working to get an education, i.e. they're working two jobs. Not that it's impossible to work multiple jobs and go to night school at the same time, but I'd imagine that most can't do it."

While it's great that you were able to make it work, consider a single parent that has to work the day shift, then a second job elsewhere, just to make rent. I wouldn't say that someone like that is a complainer if they can't find it in themselves to go to take classes on the side with that kind of schedule.


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I did. I was making $7 an hour from 3PM to 11PM, and got student loans to go to school during the day while supporting a girlfriend and her son.

If someone wants to do it, they can do it. If they want to complain about how hard it is and how unfair life is, they can do that... and fail.
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Old 06-19-2019, 07:42 AM
 
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Here's my post that you responded to, with the bolded part basically already agreeing with you:

"Maybe he meant that poor people can't afford to take time off of working to get an education, i.e. they're working two jobs. Not that it's impossible to work multiple jobs and go to night school at the same time, but I'd imagine that most can't do it."

While it's great that you were able to make it work, consider a single parent that has to work the day shift, then a second job elsewhere, just to make rent. I wouldn't say that someone like that is a complainer if they can't find it in themselves to go to take classes on the side with that kind of schedule.
Not taking classes wouldn’t make them a complainer. Complaining about their life situation would.
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Old 06-19-2019, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Living on the Coast in Oxnard CA
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How about, "Whatever the job is worth."


A CPA cooking burgers at McDonald's shouldn't be paid a CPA salary.
You know many CPS's that are cooking burgers at McDonalds?

You are correct, a person's position should dictate the pay. A persons background would get them the position though. Some people that have jobs are paid more than others. Two people that have the same exact job will not always be paid the same amount. They are more than likely within the same range though. The higher paid person might have a more detailed and experienced background.
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Old 06-19-2019, 09:07 AM
 
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You know many CPS's that are cooking burgers at McDonalds?
No, that was just a little hyperbole, consistent with the context of the thread, to help make the point.


However, I know a fair number of recent college graduates working fast food jobs who complain that they are making the same as the high school kids working for the summer.


"Don't they know that I have a college degree?!?!?" (In medieval languages. . . )
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Why are college graduates working at a fast food in the first place, did the get a worthless degree instead of what the economy is looking for. There is a shortage of skilled tradesmen and CDL truck drivers.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:50 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Why are college graduates working at a fast food in the first place, did the get a worthless degree instead of what the economy is looking for. There is a shortage of skilled tradesmen and CDL truck drivers.
When our suppliers all went out of business I was 60. Needed to buy insurance and work.
So I got a CDL. I paid 4,000 for 10 weeks training, worked with another driver for a month or so, and was assigned a truck.
I drove for 5 years. 750,000 miles and averaged 40 cents/mile. That's $300,000.
I retired in 2010, right on schedule.
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