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Old 06-11-2019, 06:09 PM
 
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The problem is these market philosophies only work when there is sufficient real competition in the market. With the growth of mega corps led by a finance class insulated from their decisions, the classic market rules no longer work.
I agree that antitrust is essential.

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And watch them then give the job to someone else …
Then improve so that you have the skills to deserve the benefits you're asking for.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Seattle
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Then improve so that you have the skills to deserve the benefits you're asking for.
Doesn't work like that. Almost nobody is irreplaceable.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:44 PM
 
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I noticed Spain has the most vacation.

But I wonder how many in Spain who are unemployed (15% rate, much higher youth unemployment rate) would give up a few days in exchange for a job.
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:57 PM
 
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Is the US the only non socialist country in the world then?

Its getting to be that way.



We used to have a work ethic in this country that propelled us to the top. Now it seems like too many want us soft and lazy. If vacation time was near the top of the list of priorities for job seekers there would be longer vacations offered. It would be impossible for employers to stop it or too many positions would go unfilled.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:03 PM
 
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Doesn't work like that. Almost nobody is irreplaceable.
I never said anyone is irreplaceable. Some people are worth more than others, though, and those people have more negotiating power.
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Old 06-11-2019, 07:05 PM
 
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I noticed Spain has the most vacation.

But I wonder how many in Spain who are unemployed (15% rate, much higher youth unemployment rate) would give up a few days in exchange for a job.

Thing is when you are unemployed you have lots of days off. Its a win win in Spain. I am sure the big socialist safety net kicks in so why work?



Portugal and France are also at the top of giving vacation time and also have chronically high unemployment and weak GDP growth.



Our unemployment numbers and GDP growth is crushing EU countries yet some people want us to be just like them. No thanks.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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It is a rather sad state of affairs.. but say is any Democratic candidate actually making a push to improve this situation?
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Western Washington
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I noticed Spain has the most vacation.

But I wonder how many in Spain who are unemployed (15% rate, much higher youth unemployment rate) would give up a few days in exchange for a job.
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Its getting to be that way.



We used to have a work ethic in this country that propelled us to the top. Now it seems like too many want us soft and lazy. If vacation time was near the top of the list of priorities for job seekers there would be longer vacations offered. It would be impossible for employers to stop it or too many positions would go unfilled.
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Thing is when you are unemployed you have lots of days off. Its a win win in Spain. I am sure the big socialist safety net kicks in so why work?



Portugal and France are also at the top of giving vacation time and also have chronically high unemployment and weak GDP growth.



Our unemployment numbers and GDP growth is crushing EU countries yet some people want us to be just like them. No thanks.
What is behind your thought that vacation time causes unemployment? How do you address the fact that Germany is one of the more generous countries when it comes to vacation, yet their unemployment rate is only 3.1%, lower than the 3.9% in the US?

Maybe you are just looking for any facts and randomly connecting them in a futile effort to support your political opinions?
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:02 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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What is behind your thought that vacation time causes unemployment? How do you address the fact that Germany is one of the more generous countries when it comes to vacation, yet their unemployment rate is only 3.1%, lower than the 3.9% in the US?

Maybe you are just looking for any facts and randomly connecting them in a futile effort to support your political opinions?
Either that or the "live to work" kool-aid.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:19 AM
 
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What is behind your thought that vacation time causes unemployment? How do you address the fact that Germany is one of the more generous countries when it comes to vacation, yet their unemployment rate is only 3.1%, lower than the 3.9% in the US?

Maybe you are just looking for any facts and randomly connecting them in a futile effort to support your political opinions?
It's a mistake to look at one country and extend it's liberal labor policies to the economy. One would require some complex correlation studies and then, again, statistics can lie.
15 years ago, even compared to the other countries going through the recession, Germany was considered the "sick man of Europe" and unemployment was high even compared to Europe's usual lackluster average. The Eurozone changed all that. Now Germany is the trade capital of Europe, selling to all those southern Euro countries. They now have a trade surplus. Combine that with a good education system that focuses on trade skills (something that we need in the US) and an extremely disciplined work force. It really has nothing to do with generous vacation. As the Eurozone threatens to collapse, let's see what the future brings. It may be a disaster for Germany. They are also politically leaning more and more to the right.

Does government mandated vacation time cause unemployment as the others suggest? I think it has the potential. The US economy is much more complex and cannot be compared to any other. But I am more afraid of the impact on small businesses - millions of them that just have a handfull of employees will make it impossible to survive with mandated vacation. It's from them that innovation occurs. There is a reason for that. I'm not saying it's the liberal vacation policies in place in these social democracies but the entire package of regulations in place that strangle businesses, the philosophy in the US that the government is more hands off. Only the US can create an Apple, or an Amazon, or a Google from scratch and the thousands of jobs and millions in tax revenue that come with it. It's always been the US policy for the people to tell the government what to do, not the other way around - the Great Experiment, with it's good and bad points (and with that, some people win, and some people lose). But I wouldn't have it any other way.
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