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Old 06-17-2019, 12:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Lekrii View Post
"Unless you want to spend time in motels?" You are allowed to leave the hotel when traveling. You're free to do anything in the city you traveled to.

If someone feels that strongly about wanting to physically be home, don't take a job that requires travel. That just comes with the territory.
Nonsense. That's like saying, if someone feels so strongly about wanting to be physically home, they should be unemployed.

If you leave in the morning to travel on business, you are getting paid during that travel, aren't you? Yes, because that is company business. They don't make you take a day of vacation while you travel on company business, right? Of course not. It matters not if you are there on the weekend, you are still there on business.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:11 PM
 
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It sounds like those arrangements vary widely between industries and companies. Thatís rather obvious. The discussion then seems to mostly consist of those convinced that anyone expecting a better deal than what they get is unreasonable and people who believe that anyone getting less than what they get is getting duped.
I only take offense for when the job description was changed and staying the weekend now is expected.

If you go into a job knowing you will be working five days a week plus spending the weekend in hotels and literally living your life on the road, wouldn't you negotiate a different pay range? Or maybe per diem as well? There needs to be something extra for giving up your life.

Maybe all this sounds exciting for the early 20-something who doesn't know what they are leaving behind, but fast forward a few years and they realize they spent their youth rotting in hotels!
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:14 PM
 
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I think all this thread proves is the screwing some people get by their employers!! Sans lube!
Yes, and they continue to defend the employer by parroting back what management at those companies have told employees.

This is why so many idiots ask at interviews if there will be opportunities for travel, because they are too stupid to know the difference of being taken advantage of and an actual benefit.

What many seem to be confused by, it doesn't matter if you like travel and staying in a hotel. It is company business and you need to be compensated for it, and them paying for a hotel, food and travel isn't compensation. It isn't a free field trip to the zoo.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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Just to clarify, I don't exactly have to stay at the hotel all day. I'm free to go out and about. They just didn't want me driving home and back 6 hours each way.

I think if they want me to stay it should be 8 hours each day.

Can't you bring a laptop and actually *do* some work over that weekend in the motel? That would probably have your employer perfectly willing to pay you, because, you know, you are actually working.
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Old 06-17-2019, 12:58 PM
 
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Nonsense. That's like saying, if someone feels so strongly about wanting to be physically home, they should be unemployed.

If you leave in the morning to travel on business, you are getting paid during that travel, aren't you? Yes, because that is company business. They don't make you take a day of vacation while you travel on company business, right? Of course not. It matters not if you are there on the weekend, you are still there on business.
During that saturday/sunday, you aren't working. You're doing whatever you want (you just happen to not be in your home town).

Of course you shouldn't be paid when you're not working. You're paid for the travel and living expenses. During your non-work time (ie, saturday and sunday), you're free to do whatever you want, the same as any other weekend.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Near Sacramento
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I have a pilot friend who is paid to be on-call. He can do whatever he wants but has to be able to get to the airport within a certain time. I would look at this in a similar fashion. If you are on-call, I believe they have to pay you for whatever period that is for.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:15 PM
 
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During that saturday/sunday, you aren't working.
Thanks for your response, but I'm sorry, we're out of time.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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I have a pilot friend who is paid to be on-call. He can do whatever he wants but has to be able to get to the airport within a certain time. I would look at this in a similar fashion. If you are on-call, I believe they have to pay you for whatever period that is for.
Yes it's called reserve. You're paid for being available even if you do not actually go to the airport.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Scrapple country
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I understand, but you aren't working those eight hours.
No, you're working. You may not be doing whatever it is your specialty is, but you are NOT on your own time. You are not free to:

-Put up your feet in your own home
-Go to your kid's weekend sport meet
-See your friends
-See your family
-Get caught up on lawn/garden work
-Go to events in your own town
-Give a spouse a break in driving the kids around
-Check up on elderly parent
-Pursue a hobby or passion that can't be fit into a suitcase (such as playing an instrument or wood-working)
-Enjoy your own home-cooking, or that of your spouse or family
-Dressing in attire that you might like to change into when not on the job (if you're hanging out in the hotel, you're not going to be walking around in your Nirvana t-shirt in case you run into the boss)

You are being prevented from doing the things ordinary humans do with their free time. Unless your cup of tea is really just being in a strange city without loved ones every weekend.

I don't live in this kind of world. But if you are being prevented from doing what you (and your family) want to do in your own domain away from work, you ABSOLUTELY should be compensated for that.

If you are being prevented from using your free time as you see fit, that is work.
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Old 06-17-2019, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Scrapple country
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During your non-work time (ie, saturday and sunday), you're free to do whatever you want, the same as any other weekend.
Oh wow - you must be the guy who invented that machine that means you can be holed up in a hotel in a different city, but still be able to

-drop your daughter off at a birthday party
-go to your son's t-ball meet
-drop by your grandmother's to see if she needs her grass cut
-reach for a book in your home library and fall asleep reading it on your own couch
-go to the farmer's market with your significant other and cook a meal together in your own kitchen
-go to that town music festival or ethnic festival you go to every year to run into old friends
-visit local car lots or go to open houses, if you're in the market for cars or houses
-meet your friends for your Saturday poker game, or book club, or pick-up basketball league
-go to your religious institution of choice
-work on that home project
-start on that large-scale hobby project
-take a walk in your favorite local woods

I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but there are any number of things you cannot do if you are staying in a hotel away from home for the weekend! Nobody should just accept that as the price they pay for having a good job. And if you do; I'm sorry, but you're the biggest corporate patsy I've ever met in my life.
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