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Old 06-19-2019, 08:26 PM
 
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A lot of people have jobs that do not require elaborate skills and I've worked many over the years. What I've learned is that people on these jobs aren't dumb or stupid. There are a lot of smart, really intelligent people working jobs that do not challenge them intellectually. And the people that do get those jobs; at the end of the day there aren't enough "smart" jobs for everyone, or the jobs that do exist do not fit into the personalities of people most would deem to be smart enough to actually work them.

I don't see this situation improving.
I agree with comments about well educated people taking jobs that are perhaps outside the academic area of expertise, but which are very satisfying. I have also seen far too many people take jobs below their skill level who are then pegged at that level. I think that's far worse. The accountant who becomes a lawn care business mows lawns all day and does his own accounting. The PhD smart tech student who takes a low level tech support person might get pigeon-holed.

Work culture makes a big difference to how people are perceived. Ideal work cultures that I've known are status free, worst are status hierarchy - Generals and Soldiers style.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Alas, I'm tiring of these games.
Then up your game.

Saying "Get a job" is absolutely, unarguably right. But it's meaningless to someone discussing how all their job search efforts are failing.

"Work hard, save your money and build financial success" is absolutely, unarguably right. But it's meaningless to someone whose income barely covers the basics.

And most of your one and two sentence pronouncements are "right." But they show no sense of having actually read the post, the string of posts and replies, or having ever experienced anything being discussed; you just restate in very short terms how you've never encountered any of that so it must be a figment of the poster's imagination (if not some kind of mental illness) and flip out another "get a job" level comment.

Yep, that's a game, all right. I think it's called "Candyland." And you will be shocked to learn that not everyone draws an "advance two squares" card on every single turn... so advising people to draw only those cards is... well, "right" but "useless."
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:15 AM
 
Location: In a vehicle.
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Originally Posted by goofy328 View Post
A lot of people have jobs that do not require elaborate skills and I've worked many over the years. What I've learned is that people on these jobs aren't dumb or stupid. There are a lot of smart, really intelligent people working jobs that do not challenge them intellectually. And the people that do get those jobs; at the end of the day there aren't enough "smart" jobs for everyone, or the jobs that do exist do not fit into the personalities of people most would deem to be smart enough to actually work them.

I don't see this situation improving.
You're right about my job. I don't have to be a brainiac and really don't care to be. Now if you DO want to use your brain, then go for the promotions we offer. We have material handler, step up is Mold Tech (These all pay higher) then there's tool room, Industrial engineer (No, a degree is helpful, but not required....go figure) QC and even admin asst. Payroll and some other positions...Accounting? Now that they demand a degree....darn...
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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There's a certain joy in a rote job. You go to work, do their mindless work, clock out and not worry about it at all until the next day. Doesn't pay as much, but in the new gig economy, a mindless rote job can be really useful. I've had a few over the years, it's quite restful to do a 'low level' job.



Working to one's full potential is a lot more work and generally the increase in pay is lower than the increase in work. Also when getting to the higher levels they start talking salary instead of hourly and frequently when on salary the hours increase.


Are the folks not working to their full potential unhappy?
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Old 06-20-2019, 08:25 PM
 
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The reality of employment is that we have a musical chairs game job market.

Senior roles get laid off (replaced by more junior people who are cheaper)
So those seniors go for mid roles.
Mid range people can't get in, so they get junior jobs.
Juniors can't get in, so they go for entry level.
Entry level can't get in so they go Mcjobs.
Full time jobs replaced by contracts.
Contracts replaced by gigs.
Gigs replaced by day labor.
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Old 06-21-2019, 05:54 AM
 
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The reality of employment is that we have a musical chairs game job market.

Senior roles get laid off (replaced by more junior people who are cheaper)
So those seniors go for mid roles.
Mid range people can't get in, so they get junior jobs.
Juniors can't get in, so they go for entry level.
Entry level can't get in so they go Mcjobs.
Full time jobs replaced by contracts.
Contracts replaced by gigs.
Gigs replaced by day labor.
That's very true.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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There's a certain joy in a rote job. You go to work, do their mindless work, clock out and not worry about it at all until the next day. Doesn't pay as much, but in the new gig economy, a mindless rote job can be really useful. I've had a few over the years, it's quite restful to do a 'low level' job.
I wouldn't disagree that a job with a certain rote component has its advantages. Even highly creative jobs have their routines, and those can be a nice anchor for the more difficult hours.

But I do have one question... As a gig worker, when do you ever clock out?
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:47 PM
 
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I never fail to be slightly astonished at the simplistic and often smug maxims you drop as a solution to every complex workplace problem.

Just maybe, a career has more facets - positive and negative - than a simple Calvinist 'work hard if you want to succeed' linearity. Or justification of dismissal of anyone who isn't where they want to be because they didn't abandon all else to get there.

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Perfect! You absolutely don't have a clue no matter which end you come at it from. Applause.

Your seemingly perfect career, job and history have made it impossible for you to fathom any other possibility, and you state this repeatedly without ever seeming to actually read the relevant posts. They're just whiners because you absolutely know better - and say so repeatedly.
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Then up your game.

Saying "Get a job" is absolutely, unarguably right. But it's meaningless to someone discussing how all their job search efforts are failing.

"Work hard, save your money and build financial success" is absolutely, unarguably right. But it's meaningless to someone whose income barely covers the basics.

And most of your one and two sentence pronouncements are "right." But they show no sense of having actually read the post, the string of posts and replies, or having ever experienced anything being discussed; you just restate in very short terms how you've never encountered any of that so it must be a figment of the poster's imagination (if not some kind of mental illness) and flip out another "get a job" level comment.

Yep, that's a game, all right. I think it's called "Candyland." And you will be shocked to learn that not everyone draws an "advance two squares" card on every single turn... so advising people to draw only those cards is... well, "right" but "useless."
Applause on one hand for very accurately breaking down her MO, but it won't get you anywhere. Her perspective will never change and therefore it will not be productive to continue the conversation. I had to place her on ignore because her replies caused so much head scratching that i now have a bald spot where hair once was.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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I try not to ignore people who make an earnest effort to communicate. My list is long, but it's mostly people who think their one-line dismissals of reality are more than enough for us losers. She teeters on that edge.
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