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Old 06-17-2019, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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A lot of people have jobs that do not require elaborate skills and I've worked many over the years. What I've learned is that people on these jobs aren't dumb or stupid. There are a lot of smart, really intelligent people working jobs that do not challenge them intellectually. And the people that do get those jobs; at the end of the day there aren't enough "smart" jobs for everyone, or the jobs that do exist do not fit into the personalities of people most would deem to be smart enough to actually work them.

I don't see this situation improving.
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Old 06-17-2019, 07:49 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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Yes, and?
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Many jobs are fairly rote. It's rare to find even knowledge-based positions that don't have some degree of roteness/grind.
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Old 06-18-2019, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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Many jobs are fairly rote. It's rare to find even knowledge-based positions that don't have some degree of roteness/grind.
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Old 06-18-2019, 09:49 AM
 
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or the jobs that do exist do not fit into the personalities of people most would deem to be smart enough to actually work them.
This has been my experience. Basically the average job role has become completely inflexible and employers create their own headaches by not adapting positions to smart productive individuals.
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Old 06-19-2019, 10:54 AM
 
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My older brother was at the academic top of his high school grad class, top of his Navy medical corpsman training class, and a studious type in his university days. He quit the university and wandered a bit before landing a job driving cab. Twenty years of that, and then to working on Honda motorcycles. Then trucking five years before he quit work altogether at sixty two.

He was an enigma to most of those who knew him, and the why's of his behavior touch on those mental health aspects we all to often fail to understand. Not everyone is wired to utilize their innate intellectual strengths, and some people want (and need) simple lives, not the harried life of the Mad Men..
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:10 AM
 
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My older brother was at the academic top of his high school grad class, top of his Navy medical corpsman training class, and a studious type in his university days. He quit the university and wandered a bit before landing a job driving cab. Twenty years of that, and then to working on Honda motorcycles. Then trucking five years before he quit work altogether at sixty two.

He was an enigma to most of those who knew him, and the why's of his behavior touch on those mental health aspects we all to often fail to understand. Not everyone is wired to utilize their innate intellectual strengths, and some people want (and need) simple lives, not the harried life of the Mad Men..
Harried lives of the Mad Men? Really?

It all comes down to having goals and managing those goals against the amount of work & effort one is willing to put forth.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Norfolk, VA
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My older brother was at the academic top of his high school grad class, top of his Navy medical corpsman training class, and a studious type in his university days. He quit the university and wandered a bit before landing a job driving cab. Twenty years of that, and then to working on Honda motorcycles. Then trucking five years before he quit work altogether at sixty two.

He was an enigma to most of those who knew him, and the why's of his behavior touch on those mental health aspects we all to often fail to understand. Not everyone is wired to utilize their innate intellectual strengths, and some people want (and need) simple lives, not the harried life of the Mad Men..
Not everyone that performs as your brother did academically at the level that he did wants jobs that make your brain hurt every other day. It is not unusual.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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It all comes down to having goals and managing those goals against the amount of work & effort one is willing to put forth.
I never fail to be slightly astonished at the simplistic and often smug maxims you drop as a solution to every complex workplace problem.

Just maybe, a career has more facets - positive and negative - than a simple Calvinist 'work hard if you want to succeed' linearity. Or justification of dismissal of anyone who isn't where they want to be because they didn't abandon all else to get there.
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Old 06-19-2019, 12:09 PM
 
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I never fail to be slightly astonished at the simplistic and often smug maxims you drop as a solution to every complex workplace problem.

Just maybe, a career has more facets - positive and negative - than a simple Calvinist 'work hard if you want to succeed' linearity. Or justification of dismissal of anyone who isn't where they want to be because they didn't abandon all else to get there.
Dial it back. I never said any of that.

People will get to where they get to based on what their actions? Is that not true?

I'm an IT Project Manager now, but it took 10 years to get here. I didn't abandon all else. I just never gave up on the goal. I put in the time.
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