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Old 06-28-2019, 01:54 AM
 
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Because in all honesty if you don't mark "expert" you won't get past the HR screen for the supervisor to actually see your resume. But since everyone does that, I'm now having to do the pre screening myself. Got a stack of over a hundred today. Maybe 10 will actually be qualified enough to interview.
Well, you're in HR "inside" the system. Keep commenting to whoever can do something about it. Move it up the chain. Get some momentum for changing things.

Clearly something CAN be done. Because they got rid of the KSAs...so they can figure out a way to change what they have now.

Could one question be: do the people in HR who actually deal with this farce CARE ENOUGH to do something about it?
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Old 06-28-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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It's probably true. However, if they ask you about it later, you'd better be able to back it up. Just because you got the interview doesn't mean you got the job, and lying will be a great way to send you straight out the door.

You might get the interview, but so might have a bunch of other people who said they were "expert" on everything and it was the truth. Or you might get the interview, and they'll realize you were fudging and decide to re-list the job rather than hire anyone they interviewed. A lot of employers would rather wait a bit and get a new pool of candidates; they're not necessarily going to automatically hire the "best" person they interviewed if that person isn't a good fit for the job.
This is where working as a federal contractor (that I recommended earlier in this post) for the agency you are interested in can mitigate this. You will be working on all their specific systems and applications, doing the job that the agency is hiring for. You can rate yourself honestly with the experience level. Plus you get the exposure to the hiring manager and have the opportunity to build your reputation as someone the hiring manager needs.
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Old 06-28-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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small wonder the liars and scum rise to the top, huh?
There's no evidence that every single hired person lied or is unqualified. Still doesn't mean you were qualified.
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Old 06-28-2019, 11:36 AM
 
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There's no evidence that every single hired person lied or is unqualified.

Who said they were?



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Still doesn't mean you were qualified.

Another underhanded put-down from someone who has precisely zero knowledge of my qualifications or the positions I applied for. Please stick to things you have actual knowledge about, and refrain from speculating about me.
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Old 06-28-2019, 11:40 AM
 
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Who said they were?
You implied liars and scum get the jobs you wanted but couldn't get..
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Old 06-28-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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I've heard it's only military veterans, Ivy League degree holders, or hard science PhDs (like national labs, research institutions, etc.) primarily these days.
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Old 06-28-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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I am wondering if there is any less competitiveness in the federal application process given that the current administration has really tried to shrink the federal workforce (and related benefits). More importantly, the constant drama around government shutdowns several times per year, and the polarization in Congress, not only making them likely to happen but making them likely to be long (in addition to the fact that the President likes them as a way to stick it to federal workers, and seems to want them to be long).

I don’t know whether the shutdown era has impacted federal interest, but I remember during the last shutdown they were interviewing a NASA employee who recently finished grad school. She was standing in line at a food bank, and was having to negotiate payment plans for her rent and student loans. You wonder if that will have any long term impacts on competition and/or the hiring process.
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Old 06-28-2019, 01:18 PM
 
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I wouldn't say there are gov't shutdowns "several times per year." That is a bit of an exaggeration.
It's not even every. single. year. No need to overstate the case.
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Old 06-28-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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You implied liars and scum get the jobs you wanted but couldn't get..

I said its a small wonder liars and scum float to the top, meaning top of management. I'm not even applying for management positions.
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Old 06-28-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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I wouldn't say there are gov't shutdowns "several times per year." That is a bit of an exaggeration.
It's not even every. single. year. No need to overstate the case.
Ikr? There was a big one in 2013. And I'm getting raises!
I guess another chance to identify oneself as a POTUS hater.
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