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Old 06-30-2019, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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then elect better congressmen that do their jobs and pass a budget

but because of these "shows", everyone knows when they are coming up and can plan/budget for it months ahead of time. and agencies are budgeted differently so you know when your agency budget is up for a vote too
It doesn't affect me personally because I'm not a federal government worker, but it is annoying that Congress gets paid while federal government workers are used as pawns and don't get to work or get paid during shutdowns.

Although there is not much you all can do to prevent it. Congress is so divided that the only people who get elected are the extremes. Also, many of the general public (including Trump and others in Congress) like seeing federal government workers struggle due to jealousy, misconception about their work ethic, or other lies/misconceptions they have about government works. So you won't get much help from the general public in electing better congressmen.

The way they could prevent shutdowns is if Congress' pay was affected the same way as federal government workers. Although that would never happen.
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Old 06-30-2019, 05:41 PM
 
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And if you don't know what they call that particular position.....you won't get the announcements and postings you're really looking for....which is why I think it's ideal to just search everyday, TWICE a day, at least. Some announcements are only up and posted for ONE DAY. Search once a week, and you've likely missed more than a few opportunities. I guess it depends on how badly you want a gig. I'd search by location only -- because I'd want to see EVERYTHING that's open....just in case.

Example:
You can search all day for what most normal people would call "graphic designer."
The Feds have that sure...but many if not most of those positions are called -- "visual information specialist."
Who the hell in their normal way of thinking would search for that?.... for graphic design jobs.
There are also quite a few postings that are the first 50, 100, 250 applicants. If you wait until you get that email the next morning, you can be too late. I know a friend told me she was looking every morning and was still too late for a 100% telework job with 50 applicants. She thought the west coasters were probably looking before they went to bed. My current job was limited to 100 applicants.
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Old 06-30-2019, 11:47 PM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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There are GS 5, 7, and 9 positions posted.
Now whether they are in your field, or in your area is a different issue.

And sometimes there's just a dearth of openings in a given field or profession.

I find with USAJobs that a person really should check EVERY day, twice a day.
I've seen some jobs posted for just. one. day!
There are next to never any GS5-9 positions. I'm always seeing director, engineer, etc. at GS 11+

I look at a bunch of different agencies I (theoretically) qualify for. OSHA, MSHA, DOL, CDC, Homeland Security (FEMA), EPA. NONE of them have jobs in GS 5-9. Sometimes I see a couple more entry-level positions for OSHA and DOL for occupational health and safety specialists, but I never see them for the other agencies.

Now FEMA is a bit different, since they always have reservist positions that in ways I qualify for, but when I found out FEMA reservist jobs are not covered under USERRA I stopped looking there. I can't afford losing a full-time job to work for FEMA, even though I'd love to help and be in disaster response, when I still got bills to pay.
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:28 AM
 
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Technically, the job announcements that say “will close after 50, or 100, or 150 applications — close at the end of the day on which that 50th or 100th or 250th application is received. So you do have until midnight on the they got that many applications. I have seen announcements for major agencies that have 50 or more locations across the country with multiple positions available in each location— have announcements that say will close the day 5000 applications are received! Whatever the technicality the bottom line is some announcements are posted and pulled in one day, on that same day it was posted. So you do have to be quick.
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:41 AM
 
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There are next to never any GS5-9 positions. I'm always seeing director, engineer, etc. at GS 11+

I look at a bunch of different agencies I (theoretically) qualify for. OSHA, MSHA, DOL, CDC, Homeland Security (FEMA), EPA. NONE of them have jobs in GS 5-9. Sometimes I see a couple more entry-level positions for OSHA and DOL for occupational health and safety specialists, but I never see them for the other agencies.

Now FEMA is a bit different, since they always have reservist positions that in ways I qualify for, but when I found out FEMA reservist jobs are not covered under USERRA I stopped looking there. I can't afford losing a full-time job to work for FEMA, even though I'd love to help and be in disaster response, when I still got bills to pay.
Well... some jobs require more experience than what someone at the GS 5-9 position would be expected to have. Pretty sure director level people aren't going to be fresh grads (GS 5-9) :S
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Tempe, AZ
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Well... some jobs require more experience than what someone at the GS 5-9 position would be expected to have. Pretty sure director level people aren't going to be fresh grads (GS 5-9) :S
well, obviously

I'm asking why there are never any ENTRY LEVEL jobs being posted. Why is it always a senior level, supervisory or heavily specialized position? Clearly those director positions which ask for heavily specialized federal government job experience are gonna need to hire someone further down the line in order to fulfill that? If I'm seeing all these senior positions, why are no junior level positions being posted to replace them?
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Old 07-01-2019, 06:59 AM
 
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well, obviously

I'm asking why there are never any ENTRY LEVEL jobs being posted. Why is it always a senior level, supervisory or heavily specialized position? Clearly those director positions which ask for heavily specialized federal government job experience are gonna need to hire someone further down the line in order to fulfill that? If I'm seeing all these senior positions, why are no junior level positions being posted to replace them?
There are 3233 entry level jobs posted right now. So the question really is what field are you looking and are you limiting your location?
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Old 07-01-2019, 07:10 AM
 
Location: Western Washington
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well, obviously

I'm asking why there are never any ENTRY LEVEL jobs being posted. Why is it always a senior level, supervisory or heavily specialized position? Clearly those director positions which ask for heavily specialized federal government job experience are gonna need to hire someone further down the line in order to fulfill that? If I'm seeing all these senior positions, why are no junior level positions being posted to replace them?
I suspect that a contributing factor is the continual outsourcing of jobs from the feds to contractors. There may simply be fewer GS 5-9 jobs than in previous years, because the government is doing less of the hands on work and more of the managing of the hands on work, which requires a senior person with industry experience.

This is simply a guess on my part, I have no evidence to back it up.
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Old 07-01-2019, 01:53 PM
 
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well, obviously

I'm asking why there are never any ENTRY LEVEL jobs being posted. Why is it always a senior level, supervisory or heavily specialized position? Clearly those director positions which ask for heavily specialized federal government job experience are gonna need to hire someone further down the line in order to fulfill that? If I'm seeing all these senior positions, why are no junior level positions being posted to replace them?
With all of the budget cuts, there isn't time or money to train someone up. You want to get people who can be productive right away. Of course new hirers will have to be trained on the new system(s), processes, etc. But the skill level should be high enough to do the job.
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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There are a lot of jobs in the GS5-9 range. But you have to be willing to move to the mountain west or other rural areas.


I started applying for jobs last August, and was hired in Mid January, and started mid Feb this year.


54 hrs annual leave and 35 hours sick leave already built up.
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