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Old 06-20-2019, 10:57 PM
 
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What's your field and degree? Do you have a resume? I'm hiring right now. There are two problems many people see when applying for Federal jobs.

a. They're applying for general functional and business type jobs. There are hundreds to a thousand people applying for these. And a huge percentage are equally qualified. You can FOIA the job scores, but you will most likely find you were just one in a pile of others all equally qualified so someone else from the pile was picked.

b. They're applying for professional jobs they are not qualified for. One aspect of this is people look at their private sector salary and find a matching GS level job for the salary they want and apply. The problem is the GS pay scale for professional positions is so under skewed that their qualifications only meet the requirement for jobs that pay 30% less than they are making now. The other aspect is many people apply thinking they meet the qualifications (this includes many new graduates) when they really don't. Here's reality: If I'm hiring for a BS physicist, I'll get a hundred resumes. 80 of them won't have a physics degree. Of the remaining 20, half of them will have done nothing in college other than go to class. Sorry to break it to you, but everyone who has the basic degree has the coursework. So you aren't standing out. What stands out is the few who did research. Perhaps published or presented a paper. Were leaders in their local professional society.

If either of you wants to post a redacted copy of your resume and the type of positions you are applying for, we can review it here so that everyone can see what the hiring official is looking for.

I understand the generalities but I'm looking for specifics about specific positions I've applied for. With some exceptions, I'm mostly applying for entry level jobs at a grade level I held decades ago.
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Old 06-20-2019, 10:58 PM
 
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Most federal jobs are hard to get unless you get the Veteran's preference. You could get rated 98% and still not get the job, because some veteran got over 100% with their Veterans points.
And thats one of the things I'd like to find out. Am I not being referred because a lot of vets with experience are applying to the same jobs? Not much I can do about that if that's the only reason. But I want to know what the specific reasons are, not guess.
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Old 06-20-2019, 11:03 PM
 
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So increase your odds by applying for jobs where there are multiple vacancies. Then, of course, if you care -- you have to ask yourself, WHY are there multiple vacancies. Does no one what to work for this agency, is retention bad? If so, why? Or, is the agency just increasing staffing? Sometimes you have to take a job that's "beneath you" or your experience or skill set, or that you don't really want -- just to get in.

I'm doing all of the above, within reason.


I just applied for a low level job in a city of 10,000 and was found to be qualified but not referred, all within 48 hours of closing. That one was unusually quick.

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Old 06-20-2019, 11:38 PM
 
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And thats one of the things I'd like to find out. Am I not being referred because a lot of vets with experience are applying to the same jobs? Not much I can do about that if that's the only reason. But I want to know what the specific reasons are, not guess.
Contact the staffing specialist identified in the vacancy announcement for each position. They should be able to explain what information about that specific hiring is available, what is discretionary, and what is not. You are not going to get applicant-specific rankings...that will violate all the applicants' expectation of privacy for which the agency is responsible. I've hired multiple people for federal vacancies. All the specialist may be at liberty to tell you is how many applicants there were, how many applications were referred on to the hiring official, whether there were any applicants with vet preference, and generally where you ended up on the initial eligibles list.

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Old 06-20-2019, 11:51 PM
 
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I understand the generalities but I'm looking for specifics about specific positions I've applied for. With some exceptions, I'm mostly applying for entry level jobs at a grade level I held decades ago.
If you held federal positions before do you have re-hire rights? If not why not?
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:07 AM
 
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I just applied for a low level job in a city of 10,000 and was found to be qualified but not referred, all within 48 hours of closing. That one was unusually quick.
It can be just that quick. Doesn't matter how large the city is unless the announcement was limited to "local commuting area only". If it wasn't, there will be hundreds of applicants applying. It is possible the hiring office has asked the staffing office to filter out applicants by locality. I don't know all that might govern whether they can create a vacancy announcement that is restricted to the local commuting area or not. That is more straightforward for remote duty stations.

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Old 06-21-2019, 12:09 AM
 
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If you held federal positions before do you have re-hire rights? If not why not?

No rehire rights, I was always a temporary and it was decades ago. My most recent federal position was a 1 month appointment in 1999 or 2000.
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:12 AM
 
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Contact the staffing specialist identified in the vacancy announcement for each position. They should be able to explain what information about the hiring process for a specific vacancy is available, what is discretionary, and what is not. You are not going to get applicant-specific rankings...that will violate their expectation of privacy for which the agency is responsible. I've hired multiple people for federal vacancies. All the specialist may be at liberty to tell you is how many applicants there were, how many applications were referred on to the hiring official, whether there were any applicants with vet preference, and generally where you ended up on the initial eligibles list.

Can you explain why most of the applicant data wouldn't be public data? Its a government process to hire government employees and should be available for public scrutiny of their government if there are no health, safety or security issues involved. In my opinion, of course.
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Old 06-21-2019, 12:27 AM
 
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Can you explain why most of the applicant data wouldn't be public data? Its a government process to hire government employees and should be available for public scrutiny of their government if there are no health, safety or security issues involved. In my opinion, of course.
Again, ask the staffing specialist. They can explain it to you. I didn't work in staffing offices. Privacy information policy, especially personnel data, is extremely strict these days. Part of it is avoiding exposure of federally-managed electronic information systems and data.
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Old 06-21-2019, 03:19 AM
 
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I just applied for a low level job in a city of 10,000 and was found to be qualified but not referred, all within 48 hours of closing. That one was unusually quick.
And, of course there's the question of whether they know who they want to put in there already, and are just posting go through the motions, and make it look good.

Without transparency you never know.

The bottom line is even if the job really IS open, and even with the qualifications, experience etc., the odds aren't good.

As long as no names and personal identifying info is provided I'd want to know what's being asked also.
The only thing is that IF you can even get the person named on the status update email to call you or email you back -- THAT is not the hiring official who made or approved the final hiring decision. It's a lower level HR person who has nothing to do with actual hiring decisions....again, who may or may not get back to you. And if you file a FOIA request it could take months if not years to get the info. That's certainly no help in the moment.
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