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Old 06-22-2019, 03:51 PM
 
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The biggest draw is you can move around within federal service. Other places in the US and Abroad and current hires will get a three legged stool in retirement. A FERS pension annuity, Social Security and a 401K that matches you 5%. Health benefits, and as you mentioned a somewhat pretty secure job for life. I say pretty secure as you never know what government agencies change for the better or worse in the future.
Not saying the retirement benefits aren't nice, but it isn't like private sector jobs aren't either...

If you got hired today, you have to pay 4.4% into fers; to get that full matching in tsp you need to put in 6% as well. This on top of a 30% lower salary cut for the top end professional job.. you are essentially "putting" away 40% of your private sector pay towards retirement

If any one else put away 40% of their salary towards retirement, they would be able to retire well too... And it wouldn't be called a handcuff...

You only see what you want in order to say how unfair you have it. Or you find some old plans and mix your info to misguide people on purpose. Like blending all the positives from csrs plans with the best of the fers plans and ignoring the disadvantages

Edit by comparison, the fire (early retirement) movement people say retire in 15 years by saving 50% of your income... Govt worked works 30 years and saves 40%... Seems like they got the short end by working 15 years longer

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Old 06-22-2019, 04:07 PM
 
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Please rate your experience driving green 2008 Subaru Foresters on Highway 66.

Oh crap, I've never once driven a green 2008 Subaru Forester on Highway 66 and I was never trained specifically to do so, but I've been teaching student drivers in a green 2009 Subaru Forester on Highway 67 for 10 years, I'm a part-time licensed Subaru mechanic, and I used to work for Subaru and helped design the Forester.
And there is a "solution" (not a good one) where you qualify for the job under one of the other requirements... That doesn't specify that particular one. Not all jobs but many have [OR] when listing ways to qualify for that job. A blend of education/experience or working your way up. If you choose not to go for additional education you can find the next lower grade then work that for a year then try again under that route.

Though there are draw backs because you still compete with people who do this on top of ones who did go for the education too. But you can claim that experience when you apply later on. Now you drove your green car where as the you from the past didn't

Remember the pay cut people take to get into the job? Count this as the start of it before you work your way back up. Hey at least the service years are cumulative so it's not a complete waste
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:31 PM
 
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One word of caution about taking a paycut for a federal job. If I'm not mistaken, the only way to get a regular raise is if Congress and the President approves it. That's only happened a few times in the last decade.
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:34 PM
 
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Otoh, my young supervisor says put expert on everything.
If there is a supervisor saying put expert to everything, what integrity does the system have?

I saw this online somewhere indicative of just how crazy and creative some people get:

If you don’t have enough experience, write in action and industry words and play up your skills and accomplishments. How? Easy. Observe:
• Moved a clothing rack – “Redesigned inventory placement.”
• Talked a customer into buying two ice cream cones instead of one – “Increased revenues 100%.”
• Worked as a cashier – “Supervised financial transactions with the public.”
• Answered phone – “Console communications specialist.”
• Pointed a customer towards the bathroom – “Solved customer problems/Improved health and safety protocol.”
• Showed a new person how to work the coffee machine – “Employee training in office technology.”
• Got creepy person to leave the building – “Enforced security protocol and secured business perimeter.”
• Sent external emails – “Updated communications and served as public relations liaison.”
• Got obnoxious office mate to stop telling dirty jokes – “Served as employee grievance mediator.”
• Unjammed paper from copy machine – “Troubleshooting print technology.”
• Opened baffling attachment: “Served as communications sysadmin.”
• Planned small surprise karaoke party for boss – “Media and entertainment planner.”
Just be sure not to claim anything you can’t back up. Then, as soon as you get the chance, amass the skills and accomplishments you need on the job so you won’t have to stretch the truth next time.

But people do this because the job announcements do it also.
An announcement for officers club wait staff: actually said transport food to table, place eating utensils on eating surface, advise on menu selections......or for cashier it said conduct financial transactions with paper currency and credit cards. Now if a person says they were a waiter...do they really need to say the carried food to an eating surface? Really? But the announcement does that so the person can't say "it's not in the written job description of my duties."

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What do you mean by 'a regular raise?' There are salary increase steps within each grade level.
So even if now overall COLA increase is voted on, there is still another or an additional built in raise that's part of the salary system.

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Old 06-22-2019, 04:39 PM
 
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Couldn't tell you. Ive been trying for THREE YEARS as a vet/college graduate/10 years of industry experience applied for . Nothing. All I can tell you, you have a better chance of urinating into the wind and not getting wet than landing a federal job these days
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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What's the biggest draw? Relative job stability? Relative job security? Relatively secure federal pensions? Health care? Civil service protection? Desire to serve the country? Something else?
All of the above, but the "something else" is the mission. It's a big less tangible part of the draw. Consider agencies that have specialized reputations/responsibilities such as the National Park Service, NASA, US Forest Service, US Fish and Wildlife Service. Those missions are pretty specific, may not exist at state or local level, and attract people who desire no other profession regardless how well compensated.

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Old 06-22-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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Can we do some mythbusting here? It is well documented and outlined that military folks get hiring preferences.

What is the documented proof that the disabled and minority applicants get preferences for regular federal jobs? Not contractors or vendors, but regular employees. Can anyone supply those links?

From what I see, government work has not been taken over by the disabled and minorities. It's a myth.

One source has minorities at only 35.3% of the federal workforce. So, the majority of federal workers are still white.

Why is it so hard for people to believe that they just didn't make the cut and that there are better candidates that match up?
The preferences for disabled and minorities may seem less visible because they may be local. I recall one "diversity" initiative trying to attract minorities to a specific region. Didn't work partly because the region itself wasn't very diverse to begin with and they didn't have a nice big chunk of relocation funding that enabled the agency to import folks from other regions. Plus, even if they did, many people may not want to become even more of a minority...no community in that area that's attractive. One other interesting problem turned out to be cultural. One minority that did exist there didn't apply for the jobs because there was little to no cultural "interest" in doing the work. Takes a lot of time starting in elementary school to change that.

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Old 06-22-2019, 04:57 PM
 
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One word of caution about taking a paycut for a federal job. If I'm not mistaken, the only way to get a regular raise is if Congress and the President approves it. That's only happened a few times in the last decade.
Well, some positions have "built in" raises that don't require Congressional approval to enact. The obvious ones are step-within-grade raises based on time and degree of complexity achieved in the step below. There are positions created and funded as multiple-GS levels. A GS 5/7/9 could be hired at the 5 and advance to the 9, or hired at any one of them depending on the applicant.
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Old 06-22-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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Every thing I see as part of answering the questions go are on a number scale that say no experience to I am considered an expert or I need no supervision.
Yes, I know. Is that not what I said?

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USAJobs tends to list specific skills and then ask if you've ever done it on the job,
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Old 06-22-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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First as mentioned a resume for a federal job is unlike any resume you can ever imagine. Current federal workers I know have been known to submit resumes upwards of 24 pages long. They upload them rather that sectionalize them like you can.
Hmm, I don't think I'd describe the current civilian USAJobs document as a resume...its not formatted that way. There are lots of repetitive (but searchable) data fields and format spacing that show up on every one of those 24 pages instead of once.
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