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Obviously if someone opts out of paying into a union they shouldn't receive benefits from collective bargaining. I started by saying that. To repeat myself, unions should not force someone at a particular company to join.
Unions should be a choice to someone at a workplace. Not a strong armed "join or you don't get the job". Until they do that, they won't be treated with respect. If unions can't survive without the money from people they forced to join, they are a racketeering scheme, they aren't anything useful in a practical sense.
Obviously if someone opts out of paying into a union they shouldn't receive benefits from collective bargaining. I started by saying that. To repeat myself, unions should not force someone at a particular company to join.
Unions should be a choice to someone at a workplace. Not a strong armed "join or you don't get the job". Until they do that, they won't be treated with respect. If unions can't survive without the money from people they forced to join, they are a racketeering scheme, they aren't anything useful in a practical sense.
They are a choice. Nobody has to join a union any more than they have to apply at Pizza Hut. So whatcha whining about?
They are a choice. Nobody has to join a union any more than they have to apply at Pizza Hut. So whatcha whining about?
It seems you didn't actually read my post first. That's fine, but please try to read it first, then respond. Unions should be a choice to someone at a workplace. Not a strong armed "join or you don't get the job".
Saying "just don't apply to the company" if you don't want to be unionized is like knowing the mob is shaking down local businesses as part of a racketeering scheme, and your answer is "just don't open a business in that neighborhood".
I'll repeat myself, so you can respond to the point I made. Unions should be a choice in every workplace. If unions can't survive without the money from people they force to join, they are a racketeering scheme, not something useful.
I've heard all the anti-union stuff my whole life. Companies don't want unions because they want to consolidate wealth and power. Look at income inequality in America. How did that happen? By convincing people to not band together and negotiate for better wages, benefits, and conditions. Of course there are problems with unions. Some are no good. Same with companies. But step back and think about how real change happens. Take the teacher strikes across the country in 2018. For the most part they were successful, and they got raises and reductions in class size. Would that have been possible without banding together for change? No.
Obviously if someone opts out of paying into a union they shouldn't receive benefits from collective bargaining. I started by saying that. To repeat myself, unions should not force someone at a particular company to join.
This must then include any scheduled salary increases and negotiated performance increases. I've observed instances where people who were in non union administrative jobs did not get raises for five years.
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Originally Posted by Lekrii
Unions should be a choice to someone at a workplace. Not a strong armed "join or you don't get the job". Until they do that, they won't be treated with respect. If unions can't survive without the money from people they forced to join, they are a racketeering scheme, they aren't anything useful in a practical sense.
If you look at the Salaries in the right to work South, I rest my case.
I've never needed, or wanted to, "communicate with management collectively". I'm capable of standing on my own two feet.
No, they don't, except for the lowest common denominator.
No, they don't.
Wrong. Except, again, for the lowest common denominator.
I don't know anyone who's ever been fired for taking maternity leave.
Wrong. Discipline becomes more complex, and then non-existent. The lowest common denominator thrives while those who work for a living suffer.
You mean like in every other job? Wow.
No, they aren't. Workplace shootings are usually at union shops.
So does every other job.
Unions are great for the lazy, the stupid, and the inept. Anyone who is capable of working for a living is far better off doing just than than mewling to a bunch of crime bosses who are buisily feathering their own nests. Unions are a rotting leftover of failure and corruption from the past, and the sooner they're dead the better off we'll all be. Oh, except for that darn lowest common denominator again...
Your hatred of unions goes beyond obvious.
You've either been well indoctrinated to hate unions or perhaps you don't have the academic credentials to qualify for unionized positions. Many doctors are in unions. You can hardly call them lazy or stupid when they are the very cream of our society. It has been my personal experience that there are fine hard working people in unionized positions.
"Excellent" workers do not need any special "protection", and they sure don't want their salary clamped to the performance of the lowest common denominator. Anyone who claims to be an "excellent" employee who wants a union isn't so excellent after all.
Your opinions when it comes to unions are nonsense. Human nature includes jealousy. Jealous people in positions of power often attack and attempt to destroy the excellent. Your lack of life experience shows that you are not experienced enough to pass judgement on unions.
Your opinions when it comes to unions are nonsense.
Your lack of life experience shows that you are not experienced enough to pass judgement on unions.
So those of us that have been on both sides of the fence are being insulted for having REAL and VALID opinions about unions.
This thread is nothing but BS propaganda for an element of the workplace that has long outlived its usefulness.
Unions may be good for some workers these days (for reasons we can debate), but a lot more people seem to do better without them! And that is a pure fact that I've experienced.
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