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For my position, a degree is desired, not required; however, if you don't have a degree, you would need more years of experience than if you had one.
My coworker has been with us for 1.5 years. Completely lied about her skills. It became apparent to my supervisor and myself after she'd been with us for about 2 or 3 months that she didn't have the skills or experience required for the job that she claimed she had. Yet, almost 2 years later, she's still with us, just not doing the work of 10+ year experienced, professional level IT analysts. Just recently, she's been relegated to doing admin type work, like running reports and data entry.
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Originally Posted by City Guy997S
If she lied about having a degree, she would likely lie about a workplace issue also.
City Guy's right. She tells little lies here and there. One recently she was caught in - my supervisor asked her to follow up with one of our business partners on an issue awhile ago. Recently, supervisor followed up with her to see if she had followed up like she asked: (I was cc'd that's how I know what happened):
Supervisor: Did you send the follow up email to XXX?
Her: Yes
Supervisor: I asked you to copy me on all emails regarding this issue. Can you forward me the email you sent?
Her: Sends a NEW email to XXX to follow up, copying me and supervisor.
Little lies, that I know of anyway. She pulled off a huge lie AND got away with it, who knows what else she could be lying about. It also causes distrust among team members. I certainly don't trust her with anything. I keep my distance from her, for sure.
My BIL is literally one, easy college class away from graduation. He just never bothered to actually take it. His current employer thinks he has a degree. He's been there for 6 years. I think he does well at his job, but I would love for him to get caught. Not bothering to take ONE class, after taking every other one, is sort of typical of him. Just once I'd like to see his irresponsibility bite him in the a**.
BTW, the university has a time limit of finishing a degree, and he's past that. So now it's not as easy as just taking that one class. Yeah, he had like five years AFTER leaving school to do it, and he didn't. He could have even taken it as a correspondence class and just never got around to it.
And they'll choose the person with the information.
I get that some employers are full of crap but lying about a degree does you no favors.
I chose an outrageous example not based in reality. Just good for a laugh. A real university would have offsite backups of student information so if it burned down the records would still exist.
Yet most companies wouldn't hesitate to lie to their employees if it means a higher stock price, more bonus money for executives or mass layoffs to save them money. The double standard is sickening. SMH.
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Originally Posted by Lekrii
It's almost like you work for the company, not the other way around, and they are doing what's best for their owners (the shareholders) above what you the employer personally want. Crazy how that works.
Now that corporations are people why aren't they bound by the same moral codes that their employees are?
Another thing, since corporations have access to legal council why does one virtually get black listed if the individual gets legal council? And don't say that it doesn't happen.
My BIL is literally one, easy college class away from graduation. He just never bothered to actually take it. His current employer thinks he has a degree. He's been there for 6 years. I think he does well at his job, but I would love for him to get caught.
It may not be your BIL's case, but some people here (on CD in general, I mean) have said they never actually said -- or told the company they had a degree. But because their work history was so successful, and because of the titles they've held, the new employer PRESUMES the person has a degree.
And of course, in that case, the person didn't lie, so can't be "caught" in anything.
Does it? Again.. the OP has never returned to provide more information.
You choose to assume that doing the WORK requires having a degree of some sort.
That's just not the case for most jobs and apparently not for this one either.
It's not about the WORK. It's the fact that she KNOWINGLY LIED (assuming the OP's post was true). If she could lie (not be honest) on a CV/resume/application, that is not someone trustworthy.
Being a patient, it's not easy to verify medical degrees of foreign doctors. How can you verify it? Can you ask "Are you a real doctor? Which university did you go to? I would like to see your degrees please… " That sounds weird.
But as a company, an organization, an authority group of the hospital, who plan to hire some doctors, they know how to verify the real doctors with degrees easily with phone calls, emails to the other side of the world. Besides, all doctors and nurses from other countries come to the USA and Canada have to take and pass exams to be doctors and nurses again.
Yes, there were a few cases that some nurses working in hospital or long-term care centres did not have their licence and got caught and got fired and even went to jail. It's a small world. When someone lies, soon that person will face someone who knows him/her and the truth will come out.
Having a legitimate license to practice medicine is not nearly good enough, in my opinion. I want a doctor who was a top undergraduate student, so that they were able to get into a good medical school, and then graduated from a very good medical school, and after that served as a resident in a notable medical institution, etc.
I don't want a doctor who could not get into a good school and therefore got their medical degree from an inferior school, for example a Caribbean degree.
I also don't want a doctor who attended an inferior school within the U.S.
Having a legitimate license to practice medicine is not nearly good enough, in my opinion. I want a doctor who was a top undergraduate student, so that they were able to get into a good medical school, and then graduated from a very good medical school, and after that served as a resident in a notable medical institution, etc.
I don't want a doctor who could not get into a good school and therefore got their medical degree from an inferior school, for example a Caribbean degree.
I also don't want a doctor who attended an inferior school within the U.S.
No thanks.
Funny story. Or maybe not, I don't know.
I went to high school with a girl who cheated on tests. I had a quite a few of classes with her so I got to see her in action plenty of times. She went on to the top HBCU medical school, and became a pediatrician.
Now, I'm sure they give exams in medical school where your knowledge is demonstrated in ways other than written exams, and as a resident, she's had to apply what was learned. So, I'm sure she's a fine doctor. Would I have taken my kid to see her? No, because in the back of my mind, there's always going to be that doubt that she really knows what she's doing, even after all these years. That used to be the running joke between my friends and me in high school because we all knew she cheated - We'd never take our kids to see her.
Had a great woman working with us that was nice and good at her job, but come to find out, she falsified a degree and promptly fired. I get why of course, just a shame it happened.
Sorry, but I don't believe this story, because in 2019 there is privacy and employers wouldn't spread that information around to the co-workers.
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