Construction stimulus for who? Mexico? (construction work, employee, interview, owner)

[CA central coast]

Americans are hurting. A lot of these public works projects use laborers, union and non-union. A ton of them are illegal. I see a lot of this construction money employing illegals who will send quite a bit back home to their families in Mexico. I guarantee this is going to be a future news story. Are there any safeguards? This money should employee only suffering citizens or permanent residents.

[stevemorse]

Originally Posted by CA central coast

Americans are hurting. A lot of these public works projects use laborers, union and non-union. A ton of them are illegal. I see a lot of this construction money employing illegals who will send quite a bit back home to their families in Mexico. I guarantee this is going to be a future news story. Are there any safeguards? This money should employee only suffering citizens or permanent residents.

and the god damn UNIONS!!! Thats who it will help, and they are not the general population, what a scam!!! Everything for the unions, nothing if your not in the damn Union. Squat, nada, crapola!!

[desertsun41]

Mar. your right, a whole lot of the problems is with Unions. Raise after raise after raise after raise. How many more raises can they be given without forcing the product they produce to be priced out of peoples reach. The auto industry is a perfect example.

As far as construction workers. If that stupid useless stimulas plan gets road construction going, this type of construction company abides by some pretty strict rules. I doubt there are many illegals on public/govt projects.

It's more the building industry, new homes, remodeling etc that attract the illegals because they are small private business owners who dont need to follow rules. No stimulas package is out there to help this small business or any other small business for that matter.

Anyway a very large portion of the illegals went home. You could drive by the Home Depot parking lots or the big landscaping store parkng lots and there are no illegals marching looking for work anymore. Because there is no work anymore. Their curent choice is to work in Mexico for 25 cents a day or stay here and make nothing.

[Roaddog]

Originally Posted by CA central coast

Americans are hurting. A lot of these public works projects use laborers, union and non-union. A ton of them are illegal. I see a lot of this construction money employing illegals who will send quite a bit back home to their families in Mexico. I guarantee this is going to be a future news story. Are there any safeguards? This money should employee only suffering citizens or permanent residents.

The companies who will be building the roads will be private contractors who will hire the cheapest labor they can find, it happens here all the time and they get away with it, I don't think anything will change with theis stimulis package money, contractors will make a ton and the rest will just survive.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by stevemorse

and the god damn UNIONS!!! Thats who it will help, and they are not the general population, what a scam!!! Everything for the unions, nothing if your not in the damn Union. Squat, nada, crapola!!

Exercise some old fashioned conservative personal responsibility and join a union rather than complain.

[CA central coast]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Exercise some old fashioned conservative personal responsibility and join a union rather than complain.

It's not that easy. The Laborers Union was the ONLY trade union that I saw where getting in was POTENTIALLY that easy. Because there wasn't a test and and oral interview to get in. But it's still no automatic to get into the Laborers. During my ten years in the Laborers I tried to get into the operators, electricians and pipefitters with no luck. Unless you have a relative or good friend in, it can be tough as hell to get accepted.

As far as the Laborers. I got out. Basically, that union in CA has been taken over by Mexico's recent arrivals. A ton of guys I worked with had fake papers and the union couln't have cared less. Now, we have a B.A. who IS from Mexico. Forget about it.

[gea12345]

Originally Posted by Roaddog

The companies who will be building the roads will be private contractors who will hire the cheapest labor they can find, it happens here all the time and they get away with it, I don't think anything will change with theis stimulis package money, contractors will make a ton and the rest will just survive.

Well, I see your complaint, but who are you exacty railing against??

I was in New Orleans and there is a lot of construction going on down there, but I met someone who told me that people they knew went down there and could not get employment.

Also, here in Phila,there is big construction going on, but I know a lot union technicians out of work and laborers out of work.

p.s. From the masons and before, it has always been hard to get into a union, unless you knew someone...that has always been the case. However, if you go through an apprentice program, which many major cities have, you should be more successfull. they even have the programs advertised on Television. So,go for it!! and you will succeed, as long as you complete the program with decent scores.

p.s. Private contractors will always hire the cheapest laborers...before it was the africans, then the asians, then the irish then the italian, then the polish...That is why they formed UNIONS!! oh and I forgot about the child laborers...And now it is the mexicans.... and 100 years ago, it was also the mexicans...

p.s.Nothing changes, employers are always trying to save a buck!! or pay nothing if the workers and society let them get away with it.

[renter8319]

Originally Posted by stevemorse

and the god damn UNIONS!!! Thats who it will help, and they are not the general population, what a scam!!! Everything for the unions, nothing if your not in the damn Union. Squat, nada, crapola!!

as far as i know, unionized companies don't hire illegal aliens

[gea12345]

Originally Posted by renter8319

as far as i know, unionized companies don't hire illegal aliens

Yeh, you are probably right, that these Public Works Projects don't have to hire ONLY union workers...and that there are possibly people working who do not have their papers...

And so, there are foreign illegal workers working alongside union workers...which is illegal.

And it is also true, having grown up in a union household, that getting in the trade unions is difficult....but there are ways if you are very persistent, as I mentioned earlier...

Usually, a father who was an electrian got his son or nephew into the business... This was when having a trade and in a union was a pass to a good life...and it still is. And outsiders were not welcome...