Ethics: Would you work as hard for $8 per hour (debt, shift, laid off)
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I have ambition but it has nothing to do with money. and whatever is happening in your life, someone else is having a tougher time.
and as for raising a family, I was smart enough not to start one.
What does someone else's circumstances have to do with me? You couldn't have a more flawed argument. Just because someone makes a penny a day in some third world, doesn't mean I should happy with my dollar a day salary.
What does someone else's circumstances have to do with me? You couldn't have a more flawed argument. Just because someone makes a penny a day in some third world, doesn't mean I should happy with my dollar a day salary.
Exactly, this race to the bottom crap is good for nobody.
What does someone else's circumstances have to do with me?
A valid question,and certainly the one the 140 million working Americans representatives will ponder when ui extended benefits come up for renewal. After all, we have a huge deficit problem we must consider.
A work ethic and working hard at a crappy job are not the same thing. Giving as little as possible to an employer who gives you as little as possible is not indicative of anything at all. Someone may work very little in a dead end job and then go to class and get straight A's. Or go home and work on the Great American Novel.
Lecturing people on the value of hard work while paying almost nothing for it is the height of hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by pythonis
i said a lot of i didnt say most. And yes, as one who has been homeless before (and trust me its not fun) having an $8 an hour job while not great is better than nothing.
Better than nothing is still very close to nothing. Eight bucks an hour is hardly reason to be grateful.
Without minimum wage I think the door would open for alot of people who have been now pushed out of the job market such as myself and the 50% of teenagers across the country as well as young now graduated college graduates who are just trying to get some work history under their belt. The illegals are already using low wages to compete with each other and employers like it because they can avoid taxes and pay as little as possible. Seems people are against free wages because you can't live on low wages. Well, these first of all these jobs were never meant to be lifelong careers or anything like that. That's what people are forgetting. These are stepping stone jobs. That's why you worked them while going to college or trade school so you could aim for something hire when the time was right. Bottom line is I see no problem with stepping stone jobs having open-for-discussion wages. Companies can hire, people can work and save, everything just falls into place.
Without minimum wage I think the door would open for alot of people who have been now pushed out of the job market such as myself and the 50% of teenagers across the country as well as young now graduated college graduates who are just trying to get some work history under their belt. The illegals are already using low wages to compete with each other and employers like it because they can avoid taxes and pay as little as possible. Seems people are against free wages because you can't live on low wages. Well, these first of all these jobs were never meant to be lifelong careers or anything like that. That's what people are forgetting. These are stepping stone jobs. That's why you worked them while going to college or trade school so you could aim for something hire when the time was right. Bottom line is I see no problem with stepping stone jobs having open-for-discussion wages. Companies can hire, people can work and save, everything just falls into place.
Last night, a relative who foolishly stayed home 20 years, than reentered workforce with aniquated skills, was annoyed when boss told her the cashier job she has held 7 years caps out around $11. She now makes $9.37. I had trouble keeping a straight face as I've been advising her to go back at minimum for training, community college, anything for a full decade while she kept saying "maybe next year".
Insanity is the act of doing the same thing again and again, while expecting differnt results.
Her lack of action means she can NEVER retire. We all choose our path, and we all get our consequences.
I agree a "one size fits all" minimum wage is a bad thing. With 4.5 unemployed per opening, it does nothing other than make a significant chunk totally unemployable.
I've always thought there should be a 25 and older minimum wage, but if we had any 16-24, it should be a LOWER pay rate. That group needs experience, not a few more quarters an hour. We should also allow those returning to the workplace after significant years away to WAIVE any minimum wage laws as individuals, for a set limited period of time (perhaps 1-2 years working again).
It can shift the pendulum back towards job applicants alot. I can offer to work for $3 per hour, while the guy next to me wants $6 per hour. Remember these aren't career jobs, these are stepping stone jobs. So arguing about "I can't live on that!" is irrelevant. I would have an upper hand against other applicants who wanted a higher wage. You see, it gives job applicants an extra edge. Employers can afford it.
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