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Old 02-21-2010, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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And ironically, many of these millions in certain parts of the country insist on voting for people who are looking to give them even less of a social safety net or employment protection than they have now. I understand if you strongly believe in that philosophy, but then don't complain when "the market" has shifted your job overseas and you can't get a job for years with nothing to help you either.
For all his whakiness Ross Perot said it right in 1992 when he warned of the big sucking sound of jobs leaving the country when NAFTA passed.

All during my adult life, from age 25 on, I never had a problem being employed or earning a decent living and doubt I ever will. I have a well honed skill set in an area where there is a labor shortage even now. My health is good and while not the brightest bulb in the whole box I have a good mind, with a tested IQ in the mid to upper 120's, which allows me to know when I am being taken advantage of.

My skillset takes years of training and I feel it is something Joe Average could never do regardless years of training.

But what about Joe Average?

Over 70% of our population has an IQ of 108 or below which is average. This site claims people in this area typically achieve high school graduation but attend "college with difficulty."

Joe Average is who has made this country for the past 100 years and if the political upper elite think Joe will go quietly to living as a Haitian they better think again. When Joe Average is faced with the inability to provide the most basic needs of his family you will see revolution of the type we're about to see come November.

We talk about social safety nets but Joe understands the country can not provide a safety net for 70% of the population.
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Old 02-21-2010, 09:56 AM
 
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Good grief! I'm sure you will get the comments in this economy you should just be glad to have a job. Your employer can do anything to you and you should just take it and be happy I cannot stand under this line of thinking.
Those kind of jobs -- couple jobs with free room and board, long hours and low pay have existed all along. They were there when the economy was good. The only difference is that more people used to the clocking in and out kind of jobs are looking at them.

They aren't necessarily bad jobs at all. They tend to hire older couples who are in a position to want them. Some people don't drink anyway, they prefer a quiet life at home but want some income. They may enjoy being a kind of host for tired travelers, like to chat and be helpful -- so why not? It's obviously not the job for everyone at every point in their life however.
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Old 02-21-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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Uh let's see, Orlando is pretty well regarded as a "Christian destination" as well due to The Holyland Experience, The Magic Kingdom, and several "mega-churches."

I think the story was completely relevent.
I was responding to this post ...

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I'd rent rooms out to hookers on an hourly basis on the side. There's yer bonus!
and, your response is that there are hookers everywhere.

I see your connection. Hookers.

Now, you want to argue that Orlando, Florida is a similar to Branson, Missouri.

Let's just agree to disagree....

PLEASE!

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Old 02-21-2010, 11:00 AM
 
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The whole not leaving the front desk unattended thing is weird. Esp way late at night, in a place that is full of Christians? Can't see a lot happening after midnight...

That does sound a lot like a job a foreigner would take though. Or someone who has nothing to lose. Places that make their jobs like that care NOTHING about employee loyalty obviously.
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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For all his whakiness Ross Perot said it right in 1992 when he warned of the big sucking sound of jobs leaving the country when NAFTA passed.

All during my adult life, from age 25 on, I never had a problem being employed or earning a decent living and doubt I ever will. I have a well honed skill set in an area where there is a labor shortage even now. My health is good and while not the brightest bulb in the whole box I have a good mind, with a tested IQ in the mid to upper 120's, which allows me to know when I am being taken advantage of.

My skillset takes years of training and I feel it is something Joe Average could never do regardless years of training.

But what about Joe Average?

Over 70% of our population has an IQ of 108 or below which is average. This site claims people in this area typically achieve high school graduation but attend "college with difficulty."

Joe Average is who has made this country for the past 100 years and if the political upper elite think Joe will go quietly to living as a Haitian they better think again. When Joe Average is faced with the inability to provide the most basic needs of his family you will see revolution of the type we're about to see come November.

We talk about social safety nets but Joe understands the country can not provide a safety net for 70% of the population.
Too bad Joe doesn't understand that the top 10% own more than the lower 90% combined. He'll keep calling for tax cuts only to understand he's probably making as much as he'll ever earn, especially if he's over 30. If you are not already a multi-millionaire, you'll never be, and you should vote accordingly. In a country with one in five unemployed, a private system that has failed its population miserably, we should examine exactly where along the continuum of Socialism<>Capitalism we are, and perhaps shift a bit left. The real insanity is shipping jobs away, with anti-protectionism (Of America, and its workers) for decades, then acting surprised when we've got a 20 percent unemployment rate. You can believe the rich, who control everything, the seats of power at the top, know that was the eventual result.

The people that think all of this just happens by coincidence haven't bothered thinking about it, just a little bit. This was planned, and you can bet your local ditch-digger didn't set it into action.
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:14 AM
 
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The whole not leaving the front desk unattended thing is weird. Esp way late at night, in a place that is full of Christians? Can't see a lot happening after midnight...

That does sound a lot like a job a foreigner would take though. Or someone who has nothing to lose. Places that make their jobs like that care NOTHING about employee loyalty obviously.
They do. A whole lot of motels are run by people from India now. Families.
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Old 02-21-2010, 11:32 AM
 
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Yes, the whole Indian motel industry thing - and the ones I have stayed in, are complete dumps. They try to be cheap. I hope this is not the norm.
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:36 PM
 
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Too bad Joe doesn't understand that the top 10% own more than the lower 90% combined. He'll keep calling for tax cuts only to understand he's probably making as much as he'll ever earn, especially if he's over 30. If you are not already a multi-millionaire, you'll never be, and you should vote accordingly. In a country with one in five unemployed, a private system that has failed its population miserably, we should examine exactly where along the continuum of Socialism<>Capitalism we are, and perhaps shift a bit left. The real insanity is shipping jobs away, with anti-protectionism (Of America, and its workers) for decades, then acting surprised when we've got a 20 percent unemployment rate. You can believe the rich, who control everything, the seats of power at the top, know that was the eventual result.

The people that think all of this just happens by coincidence haven't bothered thinking about it, just a little bit. This was planned, and you can bet your local ditch-digger didn't set it into action.
Bring back our manufacturing base and bring back the white-collar back office jobs that have been shipped overseas in order to lower costs and increase shareholder profit without regard to the SOCIAL COST-- what a novel idea for solving the "jobs crisis"!

Now why can't President "Hope and Change" figure that one out?
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Old 02-21-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Live in NY, work in CT
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Uh let's see, Orlando is pretty well regarded as a "Christian destination" as well due to The Holyland Experience, The Magic Kingdom, and several "mega-churches."

I think the story was completely relevent.
Although I get the point you're trying to make, it's a bit insulting to call the Magic Kingdom a "Christian" destination. "Family", yes, but being "moral" and "family friendly" goes beyond a single religion (or "no religion" for that matter). Kind of like the right-wing politicians who call us a "Christian" country.

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Bring back our manufacturing base and bring back the white-collar back office jobs that have been shipped overseas in order to lower costs and increase shareholder profit without regard to the SOCIAL COST-- what a novel idea for solving the "jobs crisis"!

Now why can't President "Hope and Change" figure that one out?
No why can't the voters who put the people in Congress who block that sort of thing and vote people against their own interests in figure that one out.......Obama can't do it alone and I blame the "gridlock in Congress" a lot more where they all act like spoiled children.

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Joe Average is who has made this country for the past 100 years and if the political upper elite think Joe will go quietly to living as a Haitian they better think again. When Joe Average is faced with the inability to provide the most basic needs of his family you will see revolution of the type we're about to see come November.
Sadly, the "November revolution" is going to be not what you're thinking but likely the return of new politicians who will do more "nothing" than happens now and have more Congressional gridlock. Joe Average's "revolution" seems if I read the polls right to be one of turning back the political clocks to 2004, but with a 2010 economy and it will be bungled far worse than it has been as safety nets get further eliminated, more jobs are lost than now (just wait when all these troubled states lay off thousands of municipal employees since the bill helping them another year won't pass). Do you think Joe Average having LESS health care next year than he has now improves his ability to provide the most basic needs of his family? Yet, this is what it seems is going to happen. In a weird way, it seems akin to what has been going on in Russia where you get people suffering economically wishing for Communism to return and praising Stalin, just different ideology.

The weird thing I don't get about the obsession with taxes is that even the lowest taxes under Reagan were higher than they are now. There is a thing to cutting taxes as stimulus, but it can go too far.

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Old 02-21-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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When you pay someone that poorly be ready for theft.
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