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It should depend on the individual labor market participant. You could be emancipated from forms of wage slavery and endeavor to command a prevailing, market based wage.
We have a Ninth Amendment, a federal doctrine, and state at-will employment laws to consider.
You cant command a living wage if there is all sorts of in and outsourcing going on, thats what we need gov protections from. If we were not in sourcing indians and chineese to work white collar jobs for wages way under the cost of living I would totally agree with you and in fact thats the way it was 30 years ago. Todays market your argument does not apply.
Providing for the general welfare can be considered a form of public charity. We are not moral enough for private charity to solve poverty via Capitalism.
No because the government gets it's money for it's "charity" by robbing the working people of the proceeds of their labor.
You act like the government has some unlimited source of free money but the reality is that it does not. Taxpayers are the ones who end up paying.
You cant command a living wage if there is all sorts of in and outsourcing going on, thats what we need gov protections from. If we were not in sourcing indians and chineese to work white collar jobs for wages way under the cost of living I would totally agree with you and in fact thats the way it was 30 years ago. Todays market your argument does not apply.
You can't really trust the same government to protect you and take care of you that arranged for all the outsourcing in the first place.
You cant command a living wage if there is all sorts of in and outsourcing going on, thats what we need gov protections from. If we were not in sourcing indians and chineese to work white collar jobs for wages way under the cost of living I would totally agree with you and in fact thats the way it was 30 years ago. Todays market your argument does not apply.
Why would any of that be a problem if you could have recourse to unemployment compensation whenever you are unemployed? You could go to school, learn a more marketable vocation, or simply pursue Happiness; money management skills always help.
No because the government gets it's money for it's "charity" by robbing the working people of the proceeds of their labor.
You act like the government has some unlimited source of free money but the reality is that it does not. Taxpayers are the ones who end up paying.
Which State are you referring to? Our federal Constitution specifically enumerates the delegated power to tax to the general government of the Union of the several United States.
Why would any of that be a problem if you could have recourse to unemployment compensation whenever you are unemployed? You could go to school, learn a more marketable vocation, or simply pursue Happiness; money management skills always help.
generally wage deflation issues are permentant unless the gov steps in to regulate corporations, if you follow your logic we will all be like the chineese. If you just read through these threads you will see that the wage deflation is effecting people of all degrees and training levels with the exception of 30+ years experienced people. You dont just go to school and everything is all better, in fact that is shown by the large number of defaults on student loan debts because graduates are being offered 10 and 15$ an hour, granted if your degree is in basket weaving then they kind of dug their own hole but I am noticing a dramatic decrease even in engineering work. I guess the only thing engineers have going for them is that alot of engineers have an ironman complex and would rather be homeless than work for free or take their skills to a nation that is more open to them.
generally wage deflation issues are permentant unless the gov steps in to regulate corporations, if you follow your logic we will all be like the chineese. If you just read through these threads you will see that the wage deflation is effecting people of all degrees and training levels with the exception of 30+ years experienced people. You dont just go to school and everything is all better, in fact that is shown by the large number of defaults on student loan debts because graduates are being offered 10 and 15$ an hour, granted if your degree is in basket weaving then they kind of dug their own hole but I am noticing a dramatic decrease even in engineering work. I guess the only thing engineers have going for them is that alot of engineers have an ironman complex and would rather be homeless than work for free or take their skills to a nation that is more open to them.
How did you reach your conclusion? Unemployment compensation can be an effective economic stimulus if it can achieve full employment of resources in the market for labor.
How did you reach your conclusion? Unemployment compensation can be an effective economic stimulus if it can achieve full employment of resources in the market for labor.
But that is only a temporary solution to a long term corporate wage deflation problem unless the gov steps in to set up very focused laws to prevent it. There were alot of people making X amount of money and were laid off and they will likely never find that level of income again because of corporate wage deflation so the unemployment will only serve to prolong the enevitable, they will eventually be working for chineese labor rates and their family will suffer once the unemployment runs out.
I think people are way to liberal with the term "socialism", if socialism means I have some protections from being a wage slave under the boot heel then count me in lol.
I think you'll find that most of the people who use the term don't even know what it means. It's a word that's more or less been hijacked by the right-wingers to instill fear in people. When the average person hears the word socialism, they think of the Soviet Union. So anytime you tell people that Obama or Clinton or whoever is turning the United States into a socialist country or enacting socialist policies, it conjures up images of the government taking over everything, seizing private property, redistributing wealth, etc. and putting us on the road to communism. And as we've seen repeatedly, people can be easily persuaded to vote against their own interests when they're afraid. This use of the world socialism is nothing new. They used the same argument back when they first created Medicare. Oh and guess who was pushing that argument? A guy named Reagan.
It's always funny to hear folks on the right talk about how untrustworthy government is and how it should stay out of the way of the private sector. Well if government is untrustworthy, it's because corporations have so much influence over it. So if you're someone who whines about NAFTA or how easily jobs are outsourced or how no one is working to stop illegal immigration, don't blame the government. Blame the industries spending millions and millions to get favorable legislation passed. Until we get rid of the grip big business has on government, you will never see a labor market that favors workers. Take the issue of illegal immigration. The industries that rely on undocumented workers don't want to cut off the flow of cheap labor. But they also don't want these people put on a path to citizenship because that would give them a chance to break free of their employers and find other jobs.
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