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Old 08-24-2010, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Originally Posted by kerouac2 View Post
I don't think that a lot of Americans have any idea how many things they think are American are not American at all.

Hamburgers, frankfurters, pizza -- European
Fried chicken -- African
Jazz, rock and roll -- African roots
Fashion -- European
High tech gadgets -- Asian
Democracy -- Greek

etc... what is really American in the United States? People living in teepees and saying "how"?
Yes but we perfected those things.

Oh and you left out wine.

 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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No, it won't. Canada and Mexico (maybe the Caribbean countries as well) will maybe become part of the USA in the future. The whole of Europe apart from Switzerland, Russia and maybe a few other countries will be a part of the EU. The rest of the World will probably form some unions of their own as well.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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Yes but we perfected those things.

Oh and you left out wine.
Even if trolling, this is the exact attitude and witty remarks that makes many Europeans dislike the Americans. After spending quite some time there and soon moving back, I already hate that side of the people there. The general preconception about everything is that nothing advanced or great can come from outside the US. And people really believe that or at least say so right at you, which makes it sound very arrogant to a foreigner.

So the entire world cannot become American imo, because being American to me means being overly patriotic, arrogant and ignorant with a hint of hipocracy. In Europe you just don't see this. People are better educated in general.

Of course there is also plenty of good in America and this is a typical American generalization.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:05 PM
 
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Perfected fashion, fried chicken and pizza? Amusing.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Until the new requirements for passports for travel to Mexico and Canada, less than 25% of Americans had passports - a good indication that most Americans have not travelled abroad and have not interest in learning about or experiencing the rest of the world.
Actually it is a good indication that we are geographically isolated from much of the world and are blessed with a beautiful and interesting nation with much to do and see.

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Much of American travel abroad is actually to self-contained resort environments in the Caribbean or the Yucatan, which hardly counts as traveling abroad in any meaningful sense.
Do you have statistics to back this up?

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Learning foreign languages is a minor part of U.S. public education. The U.S. government is often at a serious disadvantage because it cannot find enough Americans with a working knowledge of a foreign language to do government work.
Do you have links proving this assertion? At this point in time English is the language of international business. Can you tell me what languages would be beneficial for us to learn?

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Having grown up in the U.S. and lived there for sixty years, I don't hesitate to make the sweeping generalization that most Americans don't give a rat's fanny about about the world outside the U.
S., unless American armed forces are involved. And even then they stoke up on xenophobic misinformation rather than trying to learn anything that isn't negative.
Having an interest in the world outside the US is a highly individual thing and making sweeping generalizations only makes you look bad.
There are many many people who would love to travel the world but cannot do it.

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So, to turn the closing remark above around: Americans don't hate people who are different as long as they come to the U.S. and act like them and stop being different.
No, just learn the language. And in this point we are no different than any other nation.
BTW didn't France just ban the burka?

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So, to get back to the OP's question, I don't think that the "entire world will be American someday." Non-Americans may pick up much U.S. cultural produce, but they are very aware that most Americans are smug and contemptuous about other cultures and peoples....and that barrier makes for huge reservations about the U.S. that will take far longer to come down than the Berlin Wall did.
The only thing I have contempt for are self loathing Americans.

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Old 08-24-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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Even if trolling, this is the exact attitude and witty remarks that makes many Europeans dislike the Americans. After spending quite some time there and soon moving back, I already hate that side of the people there. The general preconception about everything is that nothing advanced or great can come from outside the US. And people really believe that or at least say so right at you, which makes it sound very arrogant to a foreigner.
That's fine because the only Europeans who Americans like are the ones who have enough confidence in themselves and their culture that a little bit of our braggadocio doesn't bother them.

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So the entire world cannot become American imo, because being American to me means being overly patriotic, arrogant and ignorant with a hint of hipocracy. In Europe you just don't see this. People are better educated in general.
To a European, patriotism means 100 million people enslaved, tortured, raped, and genocided.
To an American, patriotism means stopping 100 million people from being enslaved, tortured, raped and genocided.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Paris, France
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Oh, that's a good one. So supporting the past or present dictatorships in places like Chile, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Panama have been a good thing.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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To a European, patriotism means 100 million people enslaved, tortured, raped, and genocided.
To an American, patriotism means stopping 100 million people from being enslaved, tortured, raped and genocided.
You are mainly referring to WW2. Much have happened since then. Was American patriotism good for countries like Iraq (2003->) and Vietnam (60-70s)?
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Zagreb, Croatia
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You are mainly referring to WW2. Much have happened since then. Was American patriotism good for countries like Iraq (2003->) and Vietnam (60-70s)?
Don't forget the Native Americans as well. And I won't even mention their interference in the internal affairs of several sovereign countries, like toppling the democratically elected leaders in Chile, Iran, etc.
 
Old 08-24-2010, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Europe (GER)
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You are mainly referring to WW2. Much have happened since then. Was American patriotism good for countries like Iraq (2003->) and Vietnam (60-70s)?
and donīt forget the sad history of the Native Americans.
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