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Old 04-15-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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The results for many poor countries are skewed because most of the money is in the hands of a relatively small ruling class and their cronies. Those results cannot be compared to a country with more even distribution of income.

This, of course, is not absolute, but something to keep in mind when comparing countries.

Almost all poor countries have a small and corrupt ruling class, and a very bad distribution of income. Doesn't matter if it's a white, black, asian, or mixed-race country.
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Old 04-15-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Look to this picture of people in a bazar in the city of Edirne, Turkey (23 kliometers from Orestiada, Greece):




People look white to me...
Your pic doesn't open. Like I said, I don't recognize them as white people even if you give me a definition saying that they are

Of course there are also southern Europeans (Portugese, Spaniards, Italians, Greeks) who are darker in skin color.

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As you see, they whitest are people from Northern Europe: Ireland, UK, Scandinavia, France, Germany, Asutria, Benelux, Poland, Czech Rep., Slovakia, Baltics, Belarus, part of Russia... I've heard somewhere that the closer to Baltic and North seas the whiter the skin and bluer the eyes--seems to be true.

Turks simply look kinda Arab to me.

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Old 04-15-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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Many Turks are white, caucasian. Many are Asiatic. None are European except for perhaps a tiny portion that live on the Dacian side of the Bosphorus.

I was referring to this of course -


""Sick man of Europe" is a nickname that has been used to describe a European country experiencing a time of economic difficulty and/or impoverishment. The term was first used in the mid-19th century to describe the Ottoman Empire, but has since been applied at one time or another to nearly every other mid-to-large-sized country in Europe."

Sick man of Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Fortaleza, Northeast of Brazil
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Strange thing... The photo disappeared from my post... Even if I try to quote.

Anyway, here is a link to the original photo from Edirne:

http://i.pbase.com/u44/dosseman/larg...0312131025.jpg

The Turkish people in this photo look white to me. And if they live just 23 kilometers from a Greek city, why are the Greeks Europeans but they are not? In my opinion, they are "white Europeans".

Maybe people find it hard to consider them as white Europeans because of religion, because they're Muslims. But Albanians and Bosnians are Muslims too, and they are surely white Europeans.
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Old 04-15-2011, 10:19 PM
 
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Strange thing... The photo disappeared from my post... Even if I try to quote.

Anyway, here is a link to the original photo from Edirne:

http://i.pbase.com/u44/dosseman/larg...0312131025.jpg

The Turkish people in this photo look white to me. And if they live just 23 kilometers from a Greek city, why are the Greeks Europeans but they are not? In my opinion, they are "white Europeans".

Maybe people find it hard to consider them as white Europeans because of religion, because they're Muslims. But Albanians and Bosnians are Muslims too, and they are surely white Europeans.
I'd like to have a look at your picture, but I can't access it either.
Can you save it to your computer may be and then try to post it here?
Now I think there is still a difference between Turks and say, Bosnians.
As far as I remember Balkans were conquered and submitted under Islam, while Turkey is the country that did it. ( Yes, I do think that association with Christian (i.e. European) culture) vs association with Islamic culture somehow influences the perception of what "White" or "European" is.
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Old 04-16-2011, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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Strange thing... The photo disappeared from my post... Even if I try to quote.

Anyway, here is a link to the original photo from Edirne:

http://i.pbase.com/u44/dosseman/larg...0312131025.jpg

The Turkish people in this photo look white to me. And if they live just 23 kilometers from a Greek city, why are the Greeks Europeans but they are not? In my opinion, they are "white Europeans".

Maybe people find it hard to consider them as white Europeans because of religion, because they're Muslims. But Albanians and Bosnians are Muslims too, and they are surely white Europeans.
Well, to me, 'European' denotes a classification built more on culture than physical appearance. Theoretically, an African-American growing up in Boston (U.S.) could be considered more European (culturally) than an African living in a banlieue just 40km from Lyon.

So, while Albanians may be Muslim, I would take into consideration whether their other cultural practices make them more similar to their Christian, European neighbors, or say, Muslims living in Asia. Judging by Albanian immigrants I have seen in New York, they seemed to blend into the southern European immigrant community more so than the various Muslim groups from the Levant, north Africa, and Arabia.
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Old 04-18-2011, 04:44 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Don't know if its 80% but aren't most people from Argentina and Chile of European descent?
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Old 04-23-2011, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Brussels, Belgium
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As a Bulgarian,I think that most of the east-european countries are pretty much the same. There are not much people who can really enjoy life, the're are very few rich people and lots of coruption. Most of the people aren't very happy and their professional future isn't bright, so they tend to emigrate. Really with the average salary you can just pay the bills and feed a 4 member family, and still that's quite hard. So yes I think it's a poor country and it's high on my list of poor contries. (I was writing about Bulgaria)
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Old 04-24-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Don't know if its 80% but aren't most people from Argentina and Chile of European descent?
Argentina is 97% unmixed European (due to the argentina european-only inmigration policy they used to have).

Chile is very european too.

Both countries have a higher GDP per capita than many eastern european countries, and the benefit of a lower cost of living. So, I do not think you should be suggesting than Chile and Argentina are poor. In fact, they have a very nice quality of life. Universal healthcare and a low cost terciary education (similar to europe).

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Old 04-25-2011, 06:46 AM
 
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poorest would be Modolvia and Kossovo.
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