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Wrong? It says "adjusted". That means the first column does not consider it.. so the 2nd and the 3rd is the adjusted HDI.
huh, "potential" ? You do realize that not 100% of the population is at the same level ? The HDI is the average. Everybody knows there are poor people in every country. I would hardly call it "potential" HDI. Also, poor people have better access to services then those in poor countries. That's what's included in quality of life. I'm sure there are some poor countries where the income inequality is low because they are all poor. Does this mean they are better off? I don't think so.
According to the report, the IHDI is a "measure of the average level of human development of people in a society once inequality is taken into account. It captures the HDI of the average person in society, which is less than the aggregate HDI when there is inequality in the distribution of health, education and income. Under perfect equality, the HDI and IHDI are equal; the greater the difference between the two, the greater the inequality." In that sense, "the IHDI is the actual level of human development (taking into account inequality), while the HDI can be viewed as an index of the potential human development that could be achieved if there is no inequality."[1]
I find it hard to believe that Austria is behind Slovenia and Czech Republic with inequality adjusted.
Austria is still a country with a much larger economy and higher standard of living from my experience.
You can argue the US is better than many of the 22 above it if you have a nice, safe, decent-paying career. The problem is more and more are living in poverty, are homeless, jobless (not by choice), have no health care or poor health care, etc. I don't know the differences between Austria, Slovenia, and the Czech Republic, but you have to take into account the whole country, including the rural areas, what portion of the population has access to the better standard of living you notice, etc. Both Slovenia and Czech Republic have been on the rise for at least a decade.
Exactly. The average. You made it sound like it's a wealth/high standard of living only a few can achieve... BUT, even the poor people benefit. They are better off than those living in a country with a low HDI - aka developing countries etc. So it's not just a "potential" HDI.
And you gave me the link to the inequality adjusted HDI, which includes the 2011 estimates... I do know what it is. It's the adjusted HDI once you include the income inequality and other things ( see third column ) It's not hard to guess when the headline is "inequality adjusted HDI". For the updated list, check the link I posted.
Exactly. The average. You made it sound like it's a wealth/high standard of living only a few can achieve... BUT, even the poor people benefit. They are better off than those living in a country with a low HDI - aka developing countries etc. So it's not just a "potential" HDI.
And you gave me the link to the inequality adjusted HDI, which includes the 2011 estimates... I do know what it is. It's the adjusted HDI once you include the income inequality and other things ( see third column ) It's not hard to guess when the headline is "inequality adjusted HDI". For the updated list, check the link I posted.
I wasn't arguing life is on par with third-world countries except for the richest in countries with greater income inequality but a high HDI, just that the HDI that doesn't take into account inequality is misleading. Even with its great income inequality in which the wealth is greatly concentrated at the top, the standard of living in the US is of course better than those ranking below it. Then again, most highly developed countries fare better. If you're well to do in the US though, your standard of living can be quite high, which is where it ranks #4.
What the hell are you rambling about!? If you have a problem with the British, why don't you go and find one so you can tell him this..
Edit: In case you are Brazilian and you don't like where you are on this list, and you think this list is just bogus.. well, go to Norway, USA, Germany, or France, or wherever and you can see why they are at the top of the list..
I'm from Connecticut for Christ sakes! How will that make me Brazilian?
What's next? You're going to say I'm a doctor when in reality I'm an economist. LMAO
As for what I'm "rambling" about, here's a few reminders:
I highly doubt your decision to start this thread so close after that debate is coincidental. It almost seems as if you were searching for something to post to make your case, even indirectly. Hence your decision to start a thread on HDI results that were originally published a few months back for which a thread was even created here at that particular time.
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I don't see the UK anywhere in the top 10 and the OP is not from Britain either afaik, so I don't quite understand what you're on about
You have to know something of what happened when the British Empire was replaced by the American superpower. Lets just say that the British remained in denial for quite some time, similar to the OP vis-a-vis the discussion we already had, that eventually motivated him/her to search for these months old HDI results. Had the GDP growth figures been to his liking, I'm sure s/he would had used that to start the thread instead of this topic.
A problem is that when you take out the Education Index, which he seems to have the most criticism for, the US does worse not better. Specifically we fall to 17th behind Austria and Sweden.
Now if you take out the education and switch to GDP PPP, rather than GNI, we go back up but to ninth. This is still lower than in their general Index where we're fourth, although the only Scandinavian nation we're behind this way is Norway and we're behind Norway in the regular.
I wasn't arguing life is on par with third-world countries except for the richest in countries with greater income inequality but a high HDI, just that the HDI that doesn't take into account inequality is misleading. Even with its great income inequality in which the wealth is greatly concentrated at the top, the standard of living in the US is of course better than those ranking below it. Then again, most highly developed countries fare better. If you're well to do in the US though, your standard of living can be quite high, which is where it ranks #4.
It's not misleading.
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Inequality-adjusted HDI
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The 2010 Human Development Report was the first to calculate an Inequality-adjusted Human Development Index (IHDI), which factors in inequalities in the three basic dimensions of human development (income, life expectancy, and education). Below is a list of countries in the top quartile by IHDI.
So, in other words, you actually should look at the IHDI. Income, life expectancy, and education are very important factors. We ( U.S.) can do better, though.
@Antonio..
Because you have been ranting about the same thing in the other thread. Nobody would give a crap about this if he wasn't Brazilian. And I didn't even read there, so no, this thread is not in response to the ranting there. And no offense, but you sound like an ESL person. So I figured you must be Brazilian.
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You have to know something of what happened when the British Empire was replaced by the American superpower. Lets just say that the British remained in denial for quite some time, similar to the OP vis-a-vis the discussion we already had, that eventually motivated him/her to search for these months old HDI results. Had the GDP growth figures been to his liking, I'm sure s/he would had used that to start the thread instead of this topic.
I don't think this is coincidental, that's all.
Well, see, that's what I mean. That's what I call rambling. And they are not "months old" ( Human Development Index 2011: Warnings For The Future - November 3rd ) . I'm also not British. Well, not that I know of ( but who really knows where my mom actually popped me out. Maybe I am British and just don't know I am. ) And I don't recall talking to you. So it's funny that you would think I did this in "retaliation". I didn't even post much in that other Brazil thread. I also wasn't thinking of Brazil when I opened this thread...nor about some GDP. I don't even know what you mean by "GDP to his/her liking". Get off those pills, please.
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It's [HDI without inequality adjusted] not misleading.
Then you say,
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So, in other words, you actually should look at the IHDI. Income, life expectancy, and education are very important factors. We ( U.S.) can do better, though.
Yes, I'm saying the IHDI is the one we should pay more attention to unless you're quite wealthy. Therefore the HDI score without inequality adjustment is misleading.
2009 and prior to that they did factor in inequality in the HDI score and only had one score, not two like they have now (since 2010). 2009 and before the United States had been ranking around the same as the 2010 IHDI ranking. The US suddenly jumps (from #12 in the 2010 IHDI to #4 in the HDI) when you take out income inequality in the score calculation. The jump is even more drastic this year, from #23 to #4. That's because all the good stuff the US has is still there, just fewer and fewer people can make full, or any, use of it.
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And no offense, but you sound like an ESL person. So I figured you must be Brazilian. 
