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Old 12-28-2011, 06:45 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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Strangely enough, I often find English to be quite self deprecating about their country, but as somebody pointed out earlier, you are obviously not allowed to share the sentiment if you are foreigner.
Probably goes back to not wanting to seem imperialist. By the way, all this stuff we hear in the media about banning Santa Claus and pandering to Muslims, how reflective of how PC Britain is now or is it a bit of a blow-up?
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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Probably goes back to not wanting to seem imperialist. By the way, all this stuff we hear in the media about banning Santa Claus and pandering to Muslims, how reflective of how PC Britain is now or is it a bit of a blow-up?
Yeah, but also goes deeper than that, I think. To be generally unhappy with things seems something very enrooted within the English psyche. When I first moved here from Spain they all looked at me like I am crazy, and why the hell would I move here? They all want to go and retire there but, at the same time, those same people will belittle my country and criticize the state it is in using a full range of cliches. A complex sentiment, I would say.

Haven't heard anything about this Santa thing, really, so I guess it must not be very indicative of anything. Brits are, almost by definition, extremely polite, respectful and PC on the surface, but the same crap as everywhere else runs underneath.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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We in England, and the UK in general, tend to look at the bad points of our own country but look at the good points of other countries.

Another thing - our media is constantly bombarding us with headlines of how terrible we are even though 99% of the time it isn't true.

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Yeah, but also goes deeper than that, I think. To be generally unhappy with things seems something very enrooted within the English psyche. When I first moved here from Spain they all looked at me like I am crazy, and why the hell would I move here? They all want to go and retire there but, at the same time, those same people will belittle my country and criticize the state it is in using a full range of cliches. A complex sentiment, I would say.

Haven't heard anything about this Santa thing, really, so I guess it must not be very indicative of anything. Brits are, almost by definition, extremely polite, respectful and PC on the surface, but the same crap as everywhere else runs underneath.
Most English people only want to retire to Spain because the weather is good, they don't give anything else a second thought.

Oh, and yeah, it's 'English' to be generally miserable and complaining about everything, I guess it's kind of like a culture of our own.. but if a foreigner says something bad about us then get prepared for something nasty, especially if you're a bloomin' European or a bloomin' Yank.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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We in England, and the UK in general, tend to look at the bad points of our own country but look at the good points of other countries.
It's the same here in the Netherlands :|
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Old 12-29-2011, 02:25 AM
 
Location: Earth
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I think that the US is faux patriotic, more jingoistic.

This is a bizarre question.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:14 AM
 
Location: The Midst of Insanity
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I think that the US is faux patriotic, more jingoistic.

This is a bizarre question.
US is so strange, so divided, two opposed extremes. There are people who do nothing but complain and complain. And there are others who will tell anyone who voices any single objection to US policies/government that they should "get the f*** out" or that they should "move to Iran/China/Somalia" if they don't like it here.

From my personal observations, some Eastern European nations (particulary those of former Yugoslavia/Balkan region) can be quite nationalistic.
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Old 12-29-2011, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Barcelona, Spain
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US is so strange, so divided, two opposed extremes. There are people who do nothing but complain and complain. And there are others who will tell anyone who voices any single objection to US policies/government that they should "get the f*** out" or that they should "move to Iran/China/Somalia" if they don't like it here.
I wouldn't necessarily say opposite extremes. It's not the same to disagree with the country's politics or criticize the state things are and not being patriotic, and you will be hard pressed to find many people in the US, even among liberals or what is generally considered "the left" that, at the end of the day, is not much more patriotic that most people in other countries.

Just a thing as common as having the flag waving outside your house would be almost unthinkable in many other places.
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Old 12-29-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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The most "patriotic" countries - in the sense of nationalist, showy public displays and self-conscious public affirmations of loving the nation, and frequent our-nation-is best type of rhetoric:

North Korea
United States
Iran
Venezuela
China
Zimbabwe
Northern Ireland (with two seriously competing "patriotic" ideologies"
Israel & Palestine (very similar to above)

Countries that display a quiet love and respect for homeland:

Norway
Sweden
Iceland
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Old 01-02-2012, 03:56 PM
 
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The U.S. is very patriotic, but our patriotism seems to be declining pretty rapidly... I found this poll very interesting.

[url=http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/study-americans-no-longer-think-america-special-150209897.html]STUDY: Americans No Longer Think America Is So Special | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance[/url]
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Old 01-03-2012, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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I hate those kinds of polls.
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